Booche Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 NFL Rule 3, Section 21, Article 2 Note 2: When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble. Note 3: If the player loses possession of the ball while attempting to recock his arm, it is a fumble. When blitzing cornerback Charles Woodson blindsided Brady, karate-chopping the ball to the ground, and linebacker Greg Biekert recovered at the Raiders' 47-yard-line with 1:43 left, the game appeared to be over -- with the Raiders ahead 13-10. But the Patriots had one last chance thanks to instant replay and, after reviewing the play in which Brady appeared to pull the ball down and then fumble, Coleman inexplicably ruled it an incomplete pass.Well, what about it? Was it a fumble or an incomplete pass?"Uh...," Brady said when questioned. "You know, he hit me. I wasn't sure. Yeah, I was throwing the ball. How do you like that? Damn right. Damn right." A blown call if you ask me! I really shouldnt have looked this up, I am going to be depressed AND angry for a loooooooong time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 sorry, but the Note 2 at the top doesnt' make sense to me andréthe first half of the note makes it look like any movement forward begins the pass - therefore, it would be incompletebut the second half of the note says it's defining a fumble... (?)so if he had begun to throw, it sounds like a blocked pass in a way rather than a fumble -- incomplete... but i guess obviously i'd have to see the play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted January 21, 2002 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Basically, he had begun to throw and then decided against it..almost like a 'pump fake' (you know about those eh Treyter?)anyways, after the pump fake, he proceeds to 'tuck' the ball to his chest like he is protecting it (he obviously is NOT in passing mode at all)....this is when the ball popped loose therefore I consider it to be a fumble, having read the rules....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 well if the ball is tucked, there's no need to read the rules is there? - so there is definitely a question there even for you - the defenseman didn't pop it out, he karate chopped it down, so obviously it was out away from the body -- it wasn't tucked, It was an incomplete pass, you'll just have to accept it and move on ....(ok ha ha, i'm totally just fucking with you andré - wish i coulda seen you turning red while reading that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted January 21, 2002 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 NO YOU DONT! I am so red that I am purple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 you got that i was kidding there, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reba Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 that was just plain hideous. i would not miss the instant replay/ challenges one bit. they are a bit exciting at the moment but the momentum does get thrown off. and the bad calls would even out...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogatthestation Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 There is precidence for that call though... I can't remember the game but it was on espn... Anyway it was even more obvious that the quarterback was not trying to throw the ball or even to fake a throw, he was simply trying to bring the ball in when about to be hit. But since the ball went from a thowing position into his body it was ruled an incomplete pass... so at least on that level the refs were being consistant.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogatthestation Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Let me just state for the record however that I hate the raiders and I still thought that they got ripped off... It is kinda like the foot in the crease rule where they would not look at the circumstances and the rule is way too general.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted January 21, 2002 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 H, time will tell you if I thought you were kidding or not.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted January 21, 2002 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Upon further review, the NFL will review its rule governing what separates a fumble from an incomplete pass. What the league won't do is reconsider instant replay. "I feel like we had one taken away from us," Oakland's Jerry Rice said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reba Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 it was a fumble..... and it looks like dogatthstation is trying to pick up his post numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleB Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 That whole thing sucked!!Too bad it was a good call...Because it is a BAD rule..An example of replay overturning a call on the field that was technically wrong but spiritually right...Nice to see some real football talk on this forumNO one can stop Rams.... NO one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottieking Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 if only I knew.....with the soccer (football) talk on this board, I didn't know we had some NFL fans online. This is a good thingmy2sense, the problem wasn't the hit itself (ahem, fumble) but the notion of conclusive evidence that the NFL needs to work on. In this case, there was NONE. All the angles told a vague and interpretive story (trust me, we saw it enough times Sat and Sun) Too bad for Chucky and da Raiders.While we're on the thread, who's everybody's teams. I'm a Giants fan from the days of yore (LT was the closest thing to a superhero I'd ever seen as a kid) but these days I'll cheer for who's ever playing the greatest show on turf. GO PHILLY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted January 22, 2002 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 A GOOD CALL?Holy crap!Yes, the rule is vague, BUT, as far as I see it, the instant replay judge was in NO DAMN POSTION to tell 'weather' or not that ball was 'tucked' or not......it was too much of a judgement call so the ruling should not have been overturned! Brady was NOT throwing the ball and was obviously trying to protect it. Therefore, I PRTOEST cause he PROTECTEDED!What can the NFL do to fix that rule? This is a tucked ball, this is not? (obviously, they will re-word it better)What if Tom Brady were Antwoin Smith?Do you really think they would have overturned it?I say, GO STEELERS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reba Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 we are always on the same page with football boochey.....the only thing keeping me excited about the superbowl , is the steelers. jerome bettis is fun to watch......i've had my eye on him since his notre dame days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleB Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 rule saysany intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his bodythe arm was moving... this is not in questionIf the player loses possession of the ball while attempting to recock his arm, it is a fumble. there was no attempt to recock, he was still on his origional cock... there was no secondary cock.. all this cock talk is making me uncomfortable.... cock suckerIt was a good call... Bad rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted January 22, 2002 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 You're a cock caused he was cocking.You Cock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 I`m with you Booche. It was a fumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 "What if Tom Brady were Antwoin Smith?"Hey, i say, what if Tom Brady was Aerosmith?! HEY THEN WE'D BE PLAYIN SOME FOOTBALL !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Sanchez Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 What a fun game to watch. That was one of the most fun of the year. I thought it was a fumble, but hey, we got another two minutes of excitment followed by playoff OT. What more can you ask for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 I think that his arm had quit moving and he had tucked the ball. Since the ball was tucked it should be a fumble. Oh well it made for some interesting conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treyter Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 I don't think his arm was going foreward anymore. It was going into his body (backwards actually). That's why it was a fumble IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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