Diggzz Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Don't know if anyone watched The Daily Show last night, they had been on holiday's last week and it was their first show back. In his opening monologue he was talking about how the right was saying that the left is causing more problems than helping by taking Bush and the Federal gov't to task over their mismanagement of this disaster. He basically told them to SHUT UP, they screwed up and deserve everything they get. Gist of it anyways. Here are some clips from the show:(From opening that I was talking about)http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/tdskatrinagwblewinsky.wmvhttp://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/tdsbushtimeline.wmvFinally the voice of reason is back from holidays!!I also have a question in regards to another thread regarding Michael Moore and his delivery of his opinions. Do people have the same view on Jon Stewart? In my opinion he is similar to Michael Moore in many ways (both use entertainment for political education) so I'm curious to see if the peeps hating on Michael Moore in that thread feel the same way? If so why, if not why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ge-off Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 i was just gonna ask the same thing.. both use media in their own way.. jon stewart vs michael moore??do they both not use the same sarcasm and blunt truths to get their point across... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggzz Posted September 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 my point exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Stewart has never said The Daily Show does serious news. He states repeatedly that his show is satire. Sure, satire bites harder than some more " serious " news commentaries. Does Moore admit to producing satiric films? No, yet his films are funny.I don't have a hate-on for Moore, but thinking that he is above criticism is narrow-minded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ge-off Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Stewart has never said The Daily Show does serious news. He states repeatedly that his show is satire. Sure, satire bites harder than some more " serious " news commentaries. Does Moore admit to producing satiric films? No, yet his films are funny.satire/sarcasm.. fine line..it could be all in the eye of the beholder or beer holder depending on the person.. bottom line is they both lean the same way and both use media in the same way.. moore will use more dramatics.. but that may be just due to the budget diffrences between cable and hollywood blockbuster..I don't have a hate-on for Moore, but thinking that he is above criticism is narrow-minded.its an open debate, not me being narrow minded.. critism fuels debate.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 I'm not directing the narrow-minded comment to anyone. Thinking that a media personality is above criticism is just plain wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggo Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 i liked the part at the end of the daily show when the weather man yelled at the news lady... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggzz Posted September 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 I don't think anybody believes that media personalities are above reproach, I was trying to point out that both Moore and Stewart use the same devices to get their points across and they are very good at it, yet Michael Moore seems to take the brunt of criticism from the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ge-off Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 I'm not directing the narrow-minded comment to anyone. Thinking that a media personality is above criticism is just plain wrong.i didnt think you were but i said it anyways.. and i agree totally with your point.. and i applaud jon stewart for pointing this out about that crossfire douche.. the reaction on his face was priceless when stewart told him off.. but when you look at the majority of the general public aswell as media.. whats the demographic of people that 'disagree' with moore and his message vs the people that 'disagree' with how he delivers his message..my own 0.02$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 whats the demographic of people that 'disagree' with moore and his message vs the people that 'disagree' with how he delivers his message..my own 0.02$ Moore knows his audience. I think the percentage of fans disagreeing with the delivery is small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggzz Posted September 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 (edited) I don't know if anyone caught Stewarts anaolgy about the media's coverage. He told a story about a local bar that he frequented where there was this huge, overweight alcoholic that just sat at the bar day after day getting drunk. One day they told him his car was being broken into in the parking lot. he jumped up and was out the door in seconds flat and beat the crap out of the 2 guys breaking into his car. This was Jon Stewart tongue-in-cheek praisng the media for finally getting up of their collective asses and covering the fact that the gov't screwed up large in a proper, informative and compassionate way. First time he's ever praised network media I bet. Edited September 7, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 I saw last night's show. Ed Helms' " editorial " was fucking hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 as far as I know, Jon Stewart has never claimed to have a partisan bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedShredder Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 "Brownie..."!?! Unless that guys last name is Brown, Bush should be impeached Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peipunk Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 That's Michael Brown, the head of FEMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. J Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 I have no problem with entertainers who use their craft to state their political views. Many have done it. Lenny Bruce did it in the 50's. The Smothers Bros. did it in the 60's. If their bias turns you off, you can do the same to them.Personally, I find Jon Stewart hilarious regardless of his political views. As to the use of media, the line between entertainer and politician has never been finely drawn...in either direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeps Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Jon Stewart has tact and has a good handle on sarcasm.Michael Moore is like that guy in class who liked to point out that he thought the test was easy when everyone thought it hard. Maybe he did, but there is an aspect of his argument that is condescending.Personality goes a long way with everything and Moore shoots himself in the foot by talking too much and too often when he's already on the right path to making a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 One thought about Moore's TV work. The Awful Truth had one or two good episodes. The rest were formulaic, wrought with repetition and predictablity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottieking Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 The biggest difference for me between Moore and Stewart is, as someone mentioned before, tact and for the most part, a sense of restraint which Moore has very little of at times. Last night episode was awesome start to finish (well maybe not the greatest guest but good) Stewart was blunt but not over the top and frankly summed up alot of people's frustration in about 15 minutes. He not want to be the news, but for my money Jon Stewart is the most trusted voice in Americian media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggest Fan Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 I stopped listening to m. moore a long time ago.To be honest (and serious) can you name a 'liberal' voice' who is as respectable. I am a very 'big fan'of j. stewart. I cannot think of an individual who is able to better express the opinions of the 'right' than j. stewart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 i can't think of any respectable liberal voices.. honestly.. it's one catastrophe after the other... aside from moore, what about chomsky, gael murphy, SHEILA COPPS!! yikes! the public representation of the left is a disaster...i feel like the left sucks in people who aren't really politically aware... like girls who think they're feminists without really knowing what feminism is... or single income families who think they're owed something by the government because their marriage failed... or union workers who vote liberal or ndp simply to continue receiving their obscene wage without having to do too much work... each group is plotted out in pre-election campaigns and becomes the primary focus of all these hard driving liberal nuts... none of these people actually have any idea of what they are voting for, or what policy stands for what.. they are voting for the ideal that people like michael moore paint for them... liberalism needs to be pagliacized... rid of all the brass generalizations and given an honest look at-- dissected of it's falsities and armed with intellectualism. enough of the finger pointing over a war of ideologies. my vote's for stewart. at least he doesn't have to edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottieking Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Wait a minute, Birdy. Are you calling Chomsky a disaster? Uninformed? He's as hard on the left as he is on the right.Where I think we all stand to lose is via this polarization of left and right. People fear being moderate and yet history has shown us that we NEED to swing back and forth from fiscally conservative policies and tradition to periods of change and a focus on social issues (please don't jump down my throat for generalizing, I'm in a hurry here) I struggle to find a system that will provide all of that all the time aka moderatism. Until then, maybe we need a left and a right to make sure all of the bases get covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peipunk Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Hux? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Boy 2.0 Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 i can't think of any respectable liberal voices.. honestly.. it's one catastrophe after the other... aside from moore, what about chomsky, gael murphy, SHEILA COPPS!! yikes! the public representation of the left is a disaster...i feel like the left sucks in people who aren't really politically aware... like girls who think they're feminists without really knowing what feminism is... or single income families who think they're owed something by the government because their marriage failed... or union workers who vote liberal or ndp simply to continue receiving their obscene wage without having to do too much work... each group is plotted out in pre-election campaigns and becomes the primary focus of all these hard driving liberal nuts... none of these people actually have any idea of what they are voting for, or what policy stands for what.. they are voting for the ideal that people like michael moore paint for them... liberalism needs to be pagliacized... rid of all the brass generalizations and given an honest look at-- dissected of it's falsities and armed with intellectualism. enough of the finger pointing over a war of ideologies. my vote's for stewart. at least he doesn't have to edit.You can't think of one single respectable liberal voice!?!? Wow that's stunning! Paul Krugman is one of my favourites, Robert Scheer, Gore Vidal, Farley Mowat, John King... etc; etc;By the way what does "pagliacized" mean? Honestly curious about this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradm Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 By the way what does "pagliacized" mean? Honestly curious about this one.As a guess, might it have something to do with taking positions similar to that of Camille Paglia?Aloha,Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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