SmoothedShredder Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 It's good goat rock... I vote Yay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbass Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 lets see you write better songs? If they aren't so good. Warren is a good song writer, have you seen rising low? probably not! He wrote songs to fit each bass player, minus mike g. SO give it a rest warren is better than you think. Listen to you him jazz it up a bit. So just quit bashing and try to enjoy music rather than critizing it, when it comes down to it. Neither of our opinions really matter, at least not mine yet....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 He definitely got a solid reputation for being someone whose guitar has to get pried out of his hands before he'll do anything else with his day, and I admire that. He's an admirably solid and committed player, and I like that too. Frankly, I wish he fucked up more often; it might make him a little easier to relate to . Call it a case of career envy . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbass Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 (edited) Hey man I appreciate the honesty cause thats what its about and I agree, more fuck ups!!! But when your good your good, maybe hes just great at recovering............who knows Edited October 2, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 lets see you write better songs?Worst retort to an argument ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 As if some dude that wants to stick their nose in the crotch of Bob Weir's pink short shorts would have a fuÇking clue about soul. Warren oozes soul. a-ha-ha! look who becomes quite the bruised little peach when the tables are turned and his precious hero gets a little heat for once - good on ya. I was simply stating facts, but if I wanted to sink to "nose in the crotch" level insults, I would've said Warren sings like he's grunting one out on the shitter, and appeals to the Nascar crowd. But I didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 djed....have you seen him play live with any lineups? I know that's a big factor when judging a musician. You gotta see them in different settings.I was introduced to him through Phil and Friends and loved him there. Saw him play with SCI, then I saw the Gov't Mule and eventually the ABB. Each time he was incredible to watch and listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbass Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 (edited) like it or not, its true, if your gonna critisize back it up Edited October 2, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Warren is a great blues guitarist and nowadays, an underrated slide player. I say " nowadays " because in the 90's, Warren was THE SLIDE CAT in the jamband scene. For a guy who is blues based, Warren is an adventurous and subtle technical player, one that continues to evolve - maybe slower than one would like.Some may not care for him and his style, but you'd be stupid to think he doesn't know his way around a fret board. I love that Warren chooses his notes wisely. He wastes none of them and his solos are melodic, often powerful and most importantly, add to each compositon. If it weren't for Warren ( and to a smaller extent Allen Woody ), The Allmans would not have made a successful comeback in the late 80's. In some ways, Warren understands the importance of the Allmans legacy moreso than Dickey Betts. With Warren as a singer, I totally understand people not liking him. His voice and songs do exude a dinosaur-rawk quality. Gov't Mule songs do suffer from being occassionally formulaic, but overall, Warren is at his best in The Mule. The Mule are one of the first 90's bands that that embraced 70's album oriented rock. If anything, they kick-started the retro-rock trend afflicting the airways today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dJEd Posted October 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 no i haven't seen him live, but i've heard several live recording with various lineups. listening is far more important than seeing. most of you hippies are too fucked up at concerts to form valid opinions, which is why headphones are the ultimate opinion maker! i've heard him jazz it up and as i stated he should be punished for it. anyway i have to go to work i'll make fun of commander boring more later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deranger Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 (edited) Haven't seen him live? I'm sorry but listening to something and having it blasted into your soul by a powerhouse PA are 2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. Do you hold all bands and musicians to the same standard ie. no difference between live setting and on record? What a load of crap....YAY YAY YAY for Warren, long live hardest working, bluesiest, most tastefully entertaining guitarist ever. and not that it pertains AT ALL to his playing, but he'a hell of a nice guy in person. Edited October 3, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peipunk Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 no i haven't seen him live, but i've heard several live recording with various lineups. listening is far more important than seeing. most of you hippies are too fucked up at concerts to form valid opinions, which is why headphones are the ultimate opinion maker!i've heard him jazz it up and as i stated he should be punished for it. anyway i have to go to work i'll make fun of commander boring more later. What a crock of shit. Any rock concert I've ever been too is 100 times more meaningful when you are there, seeing and hearing the music being crafted, at rock concert volume levels. Its universally acknowledged within the guitar playing community that Warren has monster guitar tone and extremely tasteful chops. I fell in love with him the first time I saw him in 1996 when I was in my full-on Guitar Player reading/tone freak phase. He muscled a Les Paul through a Soldano like nobody's business. I can understand that people may not like his singing; singing is a bit more personal, I know Warren is pretty monotone (fuck, one of my favourite singers is Donald Fagen, I haven't found any sympathy from anyone on that one). As for the jazz thing, have you listened to the studio track of Sco-Mule? Jazz-rock, for sure but punishable? He's a smart player. I think one of the things that I admire most about Warren is the sheer size of his repetoire; many of the intricate parts that he plays in the many different bands he plays in would require constant refreshing, from a rehearsal stand point. Sorry for the rant, but one of my pet peeves is when people come on and start listing off all the reasons why they DON'T like someone; what's the point? Do you think you might deter someone from maybe liking him? I try to take some enjoyment out of everything I listen too (or am forced to listen to), instead of complaining about it. ...dratted Monday mornings!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 I am not a fan of Warren Haynes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peipunk Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 I am not a fan of Warren Haynes....which is fine, but you wouldn't go out of your way to say that he is a shitty guitar player?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 no, I think he is a fine player. He's just not for me, and it can be frustrating because he seems to pop up everywheren.Just this morning I opened my closet and he said "hey man, wear this" and then took a solo. It gets tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 MarcO, has it gotten tiresome because you have been to many shows where he joined the band onstage as a 'surprise' guest?Or do you read PT too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReDD Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 i play music, but i favor interesting music. i know what i'm talking about enough to realize that Warren doesn't have an original bone in his body. as for ripping, yeah he can play the blues scale and a few modes, lots of people can. unfortunately he can't do anything else(see: Jimmy Herring) the biggest problem with this scene is the guitar loving. and please enlighten us as to how one might grasp an understanding of "music the way it should be" In djeds defence (even though he is an asshole music nazi ) he never said that Warren is a shitty guitar player. I belive he said he is mediocre. I just want to point out that this thread wasn't created to offend Warren fans. Everyone is allowed to share their thoughts on the subject and it's healthy for people to disagree. A good heated debate is always fun. I would contribute but I don't really care to much about the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Look at the Soulshine on that hood!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 MarcO, has it gotten tiresome because you have been to many shows where he joined the band onstage as a 'surprise' guest?Or do you read PT too much?good morning asshat.no, it's just perception. Dude is everywhere over the past five years. What does PT have to do with it?I have the same allergic reaction to Les Claypool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 What does PT have to do with it?because, like yourself, they tend to complain that Warren Haynes is "everywhere" and we both know the maturity level of that place. If you arent at the show he guests on and dont download it, what's tiresome about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 I just don't hear it, hoarse voice does not equal soul.He learned to play reading Guitar World.Hell of a great career, but not for me - Nay.I AGREE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Sorry for the rant, but one of my pet peeves is when people come on and start listing off all the reasons why they DON'T like someone; what's the point? True enough. It really makes no sense to create a topic based on a musician you never seen live yet managed to form a negative opinion of. I'm gonna put Djed on my list of people who's opinion's have no credibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 why do you have to see a musician live before you can make a judgment?and, Andre, don't read too much into it. I am just not into him. Does it really matter why I am tired of the dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReDD Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 why do you have to see a musician live before you can make a judgment?I agree wholeheartedly with that comment. If something isn't pleasing to the ears on a recording why should you go see the group live just to confirm the fact that you don't like there musical abilities? Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peipunk Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Oh yeah, I forgot:as for ripping, yeah he can play the blues scale and a few modes, lots of people can.[color:purple]Yeah, sorta like those guys on that shitty album by Miles Davis, Kind of Blue.That album is almost entirely comprised of dorian mode noodling. Its also one of my favourite albums of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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