backbacon Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 HA! yeah, there's no winning a fist fight against a man of the law!And Friendly, the only reason I can imagine having to call the police on you would be for driving 80 in the passing lane of the 401! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Bottom line, avoid personal confrontation. I think the girl on her bike should have maybe, if she was so angry about food on the street, threw a rock at his tail light (expensive to get fixed) and then turned around and started biking the other way! he'd never be able to catch her. Can I put on the "should have" hat. I know it's totally patronizing to tell someone what they should do, especially after the fact, but I think the best course of action would have been to pick up the garbage and put it in the closest waste receptacle, thus setting an example of good behaviour for the other people at the scene. Chances are you not gonna insta-convert the kind of person who would litter like that in the first place but you might encourage others around you to think about their own bad littering habits. Blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 I think the best course of action would have been to pick up the garbage and put it in the closest waste receptacle, thus setting an example of good behaviour for the other people at the scene.How very Gandhian of you!The power of embarassment is terrifically underrated in inciting change. Of course, this guy sounds like somebody with a pretty fragile ego if he can get that whipped up into a froth in public; maybe the same result would have ensued, like all those Satyagrahis found when all those clubs came down on all their heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im going home Donny Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 bears buddy just lent me 'The heart of Conflict' by Dr. Elinor D.U. Powell haven't read it yet but definately interested. Spent the better half of last night talking about humanity and all our funny emotions...aggression being top of the list....anyways not much point to my saying this other than this book looks interesting. haha...LETS RUMBLE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Makes me want to pick up Konrad Lorenz' On Aggression again, just to remind me that humans aren't the only whacked animals on the globe (though we do make an art of it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im going home Donny Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Give me some brown juice and I'll show you a masterpiece hun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) Deranger... just for the record, I would love the opportunity to throw the litter that someone throws from their car, and i can throw it back in... how does it affect her??? are you serious?? have some respect for the planet!!! and you suggested that she deserved what she got?? he fucking assaulted her!!! man, I actually wish I could have been there.... I would have thrown it back in his car too... and if someone has a problem with that--well, if you want to dance, all you have to do is hit play. Edited February 4, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 he fucking assaulted her!!!And she assaulted him first -- throwing something at someone, whether it's a rock or a big mac, is an act of violence. Neither party is absolved from guilt in this situation.This whole story has little to do with littering and more to do with the reactions of the two people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted February 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 ... or at least the over-reaction of one person.Spitting on someone is assault. Pushing someone is assault. Stabbing someone is assault. It doesn't mean they are all equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 ... or at least the over-reaction of one person.Opening a stranger's car door and throwing in some garbage isn't an over-reaction? This is a normal reaction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamity Jane Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Deranger... just for the record, I would love the opportunity to throw the litter that someone throws from their car, and i can throw it back in... how does it affect her??? are you serious??have some respect for the planet!!! and you suggested that she deserved what she got?? he fucking assaulted her!!! man, I actually wish I could have been there.... I would have thrown it back in his car too... and if someone has a problem with that--well, if you want to dance, all you have to do is hit play. Number Two...thanks for this...you've summed up what I feel. The courier was choosing to 'educate' someone (and on-lookers), to respect the planet through direct action....it reminds me of a saying we have posted in the staff room in an attempt to create a safe and respectful environment: "BEHAVIOUR YOU IGNORE, IS BEHAVIOUR YOU CONDONE." I applaud her for acting on her convictions. In a tit-for-tat analysis....is throwing 2 hot coffees on her and attempting to pummel her a JUST response to having his litter thrown back at him?? That guy is a seriously disturbed individual to experience and act on such RAGE.....the only good I can see coming out of this is that his justifiably wigged-out girlfriend (the gal in the white vest) leaves him before his rage and propensity for violence escalates to include her, if it hasn't already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 The courier was choosing to 'educate' someone (and on-lookers), to respect the planet through direct actionThat's why I think the best solution would have been to take the higher ground and simply throw out the trash. Lead by positive example. It appears that some of the people in this thread, and the other one, are giving the courier a pass on her negative behaviour just because you share a passion for the environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guigsy Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 im giving her a pass because she showed some fucking balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 what is the difference between littering on the street and littering in someone's vehicle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 i'm with bb, balls sometimes will get you killed, and with ollie, lead by positive example, and with ghandi, non-violence is the best solution to all.over christmas my bro and i were driving down the 401 and some jackass was following us right on our tail, and i mean "riding" us to the point of almost bumping us. john wanted to pull over and say "what the fuck" and i was SHOCKED that he wanted to. all i kept thinking was of the horror stories of 401 abductions, rapists, psychos, etc. so instead we slowed down to the speed limit and went on our merry way like normal folks and the crazy guy got off at the next exit. so moral of the story, if you want to put your neck out there, expect the reaction. don't be stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Having racked up enough speeding tickets in the past, I've adopted a passive-aggressive attitude - always make sure somebody passes you every few minutes, so they're the ones that get nabbed. It works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 i'm with bb, balls sometimes will get you killed, and with ollie, lead by positive example, and with ghandi, non-violence is the best solution to all.over christmas my bro and i were driving down the 401 and some jackass was following us right on our tail, and i mean "riding" us to the point of almost bumping us. john wanted to pull over and say "what the fuck" and i was SHOCKED that he wanted to. all i kept thinking was of the horror stories of 401 abductions, rapists, psychos, etc. so instead we slowed down to the speed limit and went on our merry way like normal folks and the crazy guy got off at the next exit. so moral of the story, if you want to put your neck out there, expect the reaction. don't be stupid.yes, if you put your neck out there, expect a re-action. No, physically assaulting a woman because she put the garbage you put on the street back where it belongs is not right. Something that I find very interesting in this thread and I think needs to be clarified is the assumption that this girl picked up the garbage and trough it back in his vehicle... Where does it say that she through it at him? And how did this get transformed into assault? Throwing garbage back in someone's car is looking for trouble---indeed.. Throwing hot coffee at someone is called assault.... scratching someone's vehicle is called vandalism... physically assaulting a woman is fucking horrible and it is never a suitable response for these actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guigsy Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) ahhh, come on, grow some balls, hippies! i'm sure at least once in our lives we've all said in jest "man, if someone did *whatever* i'd do *whatever*!" - this person just followed through on it... and then the moral high ground police come to cut her down. she threw a burger back in his car that he threw out onto the street. think about that and the escalation of all this, and then imagine one word: silly. but Dup... I would have thrown it back in his car too... what is the difference between littering on the street and littering in someone's vehicle? edit: just saw your post - got it. Edited February 4, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 guigsy.. you're sooo right.i'm just sayin' that we shouldn't all feel sorry for this chick.. she did throw shit in the guys car, she did key his car.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guigsy Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 fair enough.but you dont attack women.period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggzz Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 (edited) guigsy.. you're sooo right.i'm just sayin' that we shouldn't all feel sorry for this chick.. she did throw shit in the guys car, she did key his car.. She didn't "key" the guys car, she didn't have time to, the guy threw the coffee's and it escalated into a shoving match whereby her bike key (which is attached to her wrist at all times) scracthed the guys car, purely accidental (look at the first pic in the links, where the guys is stomping her bike and she is falling against his car) I have heard her first-hand account of the story thanks. Edited February 6, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggzz Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 and she admitted that she shouldn't have done what she did, it was a reaction, but it in no way justifies the reaction she got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 ahh sorry.. it read that she keyed his car. and no, her actions don't justify what that psycho did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewRider Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 if I was there I would've sprayed mud butt all over his car while the drama was going down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggzz Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 That's part of the problem, and even the newspapers are picking up on it, this story blew up so big and so quickly on the internet that nobody knows or even really cares what actually happened, everyone is just taking it as their opportunity to step up on to the soap-box and put their 2 cents in as to why cyclists are bad or drivers are bad, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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