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What was Ned Lagin arguably most famous for (and I don't mean among Deadheads' date=' so I'm not referring to the Phil and Ned sets)?[/b']

I'll take a stab. Was it that he pioneered early real-time micocomputers to generate digital signals to create music, and eary digital/audio converting. Also of course his pioneereing work developing synthsnd digital signal processing

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First of all, you say in another thread that some change, a key and a bottle cap were found in Garcia's and now you are saying that Garcia was first in the studio in 1958, while in grade 10?

Fact:

Jerry got his first instrument when he was 15. It was an accordian.

You better get off the weed Chamie.

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I take it back Chameleon. Keep smoking, but there is definitely some question marks. Here is some interesting information.

Did Jerry Garcia play on the original recording?

According to some accounts, Jerry Garcia played guitar on the original Bobby Freeman recording of "Do You Wanna Dance?"

The fullest account comes from David Nelson, quoted in Robert Greenfield's "Dark Star: An Oral Biography of Jerry Garcia" (pp63-64):

"We all knew that he'd played electric guitar on Bobby Freeman's 'Do You Wanna Dance.' Before any of this. Before the folk thing. When he was in high school. In a real funky studio. If you listen to that recording, there are no drums. There are cardboard boxes. He was a kid from Balboa High. It was what he used to refer to as his 'teenage hoodlum period.' When he got that first electric guitar from his mom in exchange for the accordian. He got that guitar and was really happy with it and he told me that he just tuned it to one tuning. The solo actually sounds like it could be in that tuning because he said it wasn't until a couple of months later when he found out how to really tune it. It's very primitive and it's very much that style of plunging out and jumping in with both feet first. The solo itself is basically two licks used very modestly. Very modestly."

And Sara Ruppenthal Garcia backs this up in the same book (p36):

"And in high school, Jerry had played on Bobby Freeman's 'Do You Wanna Dance.' But he didn't consider that exactly worthy. What he really wanted to do was play with Bill Monroe."

No mention of this is made in either Blair Jackson's "Garcia" An American Life" or Dennis McNally's "A Long Strange Trip." Rock Scully, in "Living With The Dead" says (p70):

"[Tom Donahue] has his own label, Autumn Records ... Garcia has done session work for Autumn Records (including Bobby Freeman's single "Do You Wanna Dance?") so Tom already knows him"

Phil Lesh also mentioned it in an interview linked to the 2004 publication of his book "Searching For The Sound":

"Well interestingly enough, Jerry’s first instrument was rock and roll guitar. He played guitar on the Bobby Freeman song "Do You Want To Dance' when he was sixteen years old or something. It’s like a rhythm guitar part."

What is odd about this story is the timing. Jerry Garcia would have been 15 when "Do You Wanna Dance?" was recorded, and had been playing the guitar for less than a year. The liner notes from a Bobby Freeman CD give this account of how the song was recorded:

"Bobby decided to visit the disc jockey on his own, taking with him a drum-playing friend ... Bobby accompanying himself on piano and his friend beating out the rhythm on the congas demonstrated his wares on four numbers, which the deejay took away with him. The vice president of Jubilee Records of New York was honeymooning in San Francisco and combining business with pleasure called in at the local radio station to see how his company's products were faring. The deejay instead played him Bobby's tape, and Mortimer Pailitz liked what he heard and within three weeks, Bobby was signed to Jubilee. They took the original tapes that Bobby had cut in Frisco, overdubbed a guitar, bass and drums, and released two of the tracks [including Do You Wanna Dance] on their Josie subsidiary in March 1958."

David Nelson's comments square with Jerry Garcia having played on the recording with his newly-acquired guitar, although I'm still not sure I believe that a record company would use as a session musician a 15 year old school-kid who barely knew how to play the guitar.

Some have speculated that Jerry Garcia knew Bobby Freeman when they were growing up--Freeman was only a couple of years older than Garcia. That's possible, though I don't know of any evidence to support it.

It seems that Rock Scully is wrong when he says that Garcia's session work for Autumn Records included "Do You Wanna Dance?" Tom Donahue and Bob Mitchell founded Autumn Records in 1963, some five years after "Do You Wanna Dance?" was recorded--though it is true that some of Bobby Freeman's later recordings were released by Autumn Records, and the Grateful Dead recorded some demos in their very early days (under the name "The Emergency Crew"). See Matt Schofield's discography for more information on Autumn Records.

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Yes I will keep smokin' 'cause Jerry Garcia most certainly played guitar on Bobby Freeman's "Do you wanna dance". Not only is it listed as such in Allmusic guide and on the ASACAP registry, if you have ever heard that song, while the guitar is very Chuck Berry like you can definently hear that it is Jerry. It really cool to hear him back then.

proof:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:oe861vfjzzva~T2

Jery's Session credits

So Bobby Freeman is rigt Stn.Mtn...you question sir...

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First of all, you say in another thread that some change, a key and a bottle cap were found in Garcia's and now you are saying that Garcia was first in the studio in 1958, while in grade 10?

Fact:

Jerry got his first instrument when he was 15. It was an accordian.

You better get off the weed Chamie.

}:(:P[color:red]Hey Booche, check this autopsy report. It is presented in a humourous way but the fact have nbeen verified. I wasn't kidding on the bottle cap thing for real...

Jerry Garcia autopsy

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