dave-O Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 haha, enjoy the second line centre that Janne Niininmaa and Garth Murray are going to fetch you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 It's true that the draft picks will only be as good as the scouting system, but it's the GM that is in charge of making sure that all the correct scouts are in place. That being said, just LOOK at the 1995 draft!Here is the 1995 draftees, listed by place in the draft, team, name, and games played in the NHL:1 Ottawa.........Bryan Berard.............5542 NY Islanders...Wade Redden..............6943 Los Angeles....Aki-Petteri Berg.........6064 Anaheim........Chad Kilger..............5795 Tampa Bay......Daymond Langkow..........7076 Edmonton.......Steve Kelly..............1477 Winnipeg.......Shane Doan...............7308 Mtl. Canadiens.Terry Ryan...............89 Boston.........Kyle McLaren.............59110 Florida.......Radek Dvorak.............74611 Dallas........Jarome Iginla............70812 San Jose......Teemu Riihijarvi.........013 Hartford......Jean-Sebastien Giguere...29714 Buffalo.......Jay McKee................58215 Toronto.......Jeff Ware ...............2116 Buffalo.......Martin Biron.............28117 Washington....Brad Church..............218 New Jersey....Petr Sykora..............68219 Chicago.......Dmitri Nabokov...........5520 Calgary.......Denis Gauthier...........44621 Boston........Sean Brown...............43622 Philadelphia..Brian Boucher............20223 Washington....Miika Elomo..............224 Pittsburgh....Alexei Morozov...........45125 Colorado......Marc Denis...............29426 Detroit.......Maxim Kuznetsov..........136 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 haha, enjoy the second line centre that Janne Niininmaa and Garth Murray are going to fetch you!Yeah, I know. It's not much. [color:purple]Maybe we can throw in Patrick Traverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 What is your point about the 1995 draft?4 goalies went after Ryan and the Habs obviously didnt feel that they needed one since the 2 drafts before and after the 95 draft saw them take a keeper in the final rounds.That leaves 17 players to select from, 8 of which never made any stench of a mark on the NHL.Ryan was a good looking prospect that never panned out. The year he was drafted, he posted some pretty damn fine looking numbers for the Tri-City Americans.Regular SeasonGP - 70G - 50A - 60PIM - 207PlayoffsGP - 17G - 12A - 15PIM - 36You are making it seem like that year was a 'cant-miss' draft that only fooled the Habs. How did Teemu Riihijarvi work out for the Sharks? Or Brad Church for Washington? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 The draft is the most important tool for building an organization. Of course it's a giant crapshoot, and you really don't know if you're getting a hot prospect, or someone who has peaked in their hockey career. That being said, let's take a look at first round picks under Houle, and then first round picks under (Andre) Savard:REJEAN HOULE1995 Terry Ryan1996 Matt Higgins1997 Jason Ward1998 Eric Chouinard1999 no first round pick2000 Ron HainseyANDRE SAVARD2001 Mike Komisarek2002 Chris Higgins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 (edited) Yes, the future does look much brighter. Edited November 29, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 I did some digging to see who the Habs got in 1999 in exchange for their 1st round pick: Trevor Linden. The Islanders subsequently wasted their pick on some guy (Branislav Mezei). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-O Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Further to Booche's point, you need to look at the full draft year - not just the first round - to evaluate a draft. If you got a couple of serviceable players in your late rounds, a first round mulligan is quickly forgotten.And the GM is just that - the manager. He hires the staff and decides who's opinion he's going to trust. So I'd say he's fully responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 True enough. They put that staff together so I guess the onus totally falls on their shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberdinghy Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 (edited) If you change the o to an a you get anus.They put that staff together so I guess the anus totally falls on Andre's shoulders. Edited November 22, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Fine. Because I am right bored currently, here is the Habs draft history under Rejean Houle:<font face="Courier">(round, pick, name, GP for Habs, points)19951....8..Ryan, Terry............8.....03...60..Guren, Miloslav.......36.....43...74..Hohenberger, Martin....04...86..Delisle, Jonathan......1.....05..112..Anger, Niklas..........0 6..138..Olson, Boyd............0 7..164..Robidas, Stephane....122....23 8..190..Hart, Greg.............0 9..216..Houde, Eric...........30.....5 19961...18..Higgins, Matt.........57.....3 2...44..Garon, Mathieu........43.....G (2.49) 3...71..Asham, Arron.........121....20 4...92..Staal, Kim.............0 4...99..Drapeau, Etienne.......0 5..127..Archambault, Daniel....0 6..154..Clark, Brett.........102.....5 7..181..Vertala, Timo..........0 8..207..Baldi, Mattia..........0 9..233..Tremblay, Michel.......0 1997 1...11..Ward, Jason..........105....20 2...37..Baumgartner, Gregor....0 3...65..Mikkola, Ilkka.........0 4...91..Tetrault, Daniel.......0 5..118..Sidulov, Konstantin....0 5..122..Razin, Gennady.........0 6..145..Desroches, Jonathan....0 7..172..Guite, Ben.............0 8..197..Kubos, Petr............0 8..202..Sidyakin, Andrei.......0 9..228..Ygranes, Jarl-Espen....0 19981...16..Chouinard, Eric.......13.....4 2...45..Ribeiro, Mike........276...153 3...75..Beauchemin, Francois...1.....0 5..132..Bashkirov, Andrei.....30.....3 6..152..Dwyer, Gordie.........11.....0 6..162..Markov, Andrei.......334...158 7..189..Kruchinin, Andrei......0 8..201..Murray, Craig..........0 8..216..Ryder, Michael.......162...118 9..247..Harris, Darcy..........0 19992...39..Burtulin, Alexander....0 2...58..Carkner, Matt..........0 4...97..Dyment, Chris..........0 4..107..Lindsay, Evan..........0 5..136..Jamieson, Dustin.......0 5..145..Thinel, Marc-Andre.....0 5..150..Shasby, Matt...........0 6..167..Dixon, Sean............0 7..196..Tarasov, Vadim.........0 8..225..Hyytia, Mikko..........0 9..253..Marois, Jerome.........0 2000 1...13..Hainsey, Ron..........32.....2 1...16..Hossa, Marcel.........59....19 3...78..Balej, Jozef..........17.....5 3...79..Hanchuk, Tyler.........0 4..109..Enqvist, Johan.........0 4..114..Larrivee, Christian....0 5..145..Glenn, Ryan............0 6..172..Selig, Scott...........0 6..182..Chvojka, Petr..........0 8..243..Puurula, Joni..........0 9..275..Gauthier, Jonathan.....0 What the hell happened in 1999?? Someone obviously did absolutely no studying before the final exam. 1998 seems to be a decent crop, despite Chouinard being 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberdinghy Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 what are the numbers to the right GP and points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberdinghy Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 yep...and I'm still retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted November 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 I love the Habs!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-O Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Not that I'm defending Houle (he wouldn't know a good prospect from his asshole if a french canadian kid was standing nearby), but 1999 was a weak draft class overall. 1997 was very top heavy, if you missed on your first selection you probably didn't get anything out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 You're right. 1999 looks awful. The best player in the first round is Martin Havlat, and he was picked late... No real big names at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Come on Huet!!! Got him in my pool for the next week. Good or bad pick? Will he play all 3 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted November 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 I think it will be Huet tonight. Abie against Phil on Sunday. Then likely Huet for at least the next couple. It looks like the yare leaning towards HUet more and I think that is the right decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Poor Aebischer is starting to fall behind Huet in a big way... Four goals allowed in each of his last three starts, ouch. Aebishcer is looking more and more like trade bait as the Hamilton Bulldogs have two very serviceable goalies (Yann Danis and Jaroslav Halak) waiting in the wings for that coveted backup spot.The big question is whether the Habs have 100% confidence in Huet down the stretch. There is a reason why the Habs are keeping Aebischer for the time being...With Niinimaa and Aebischer facing a certain trade, and with Souray's recent comments about what the Habs' priorities should be for resigning the big three UFAs (Markov then Rivet THEN Souray), it's only a matter of time before the Habs make a major move. Add to that a farm system choked with prospects, and we will be looking at some players moving for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 I have no doubt the Habs have 100% confidence in Huet. There is no rush to move Aebischer right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-O Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 I loved Aebischer's comment "It wasn't me that took the penalties" after allowing 4 goals in 3 straight games. Way to endear yourself to your teammates, buddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Niinimaa aint going nowhere but Hamilton. I am VERY skeptical of all these rumours of a package that Gainey is putting together. Anywhere from Souray-Ryder-Habischer or Souray-Habischer-Samsonov.........all this shit is pimply nosed little fucks that have too much time on their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 If they send Niinimaa down to the minors he has to clear waivers first. I doubt that the Habs will want to risk being stuck with a chunk of his salary (what is it, half?) if some other team decides he's a good deal at a discount.On a seperate note I am planning on going to a Hamilton Bulldogs game while I am in Hamilton over the holidays! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-O Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Nope. If he was to get picked up on his way down, his new team takes the whole salary. He'd also have to clear waivers if he was called back up, that's when the two team's split the salary and cap space.Don't kid yourself, the chances are slim that any team takes him even at half his salary. He couldn't make the top 6 in either Dallas or Mtl this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Then I guess I'll see him play in Hamilton along with Patrick Traverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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