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someone posted this over on stillepost and thought it might be of interest to some people here...

the gist of it is that when you eat soy products you should be aware of how they're produced as some types of preperations can turn soy into quite an unhealthy food... soy extracts can contain higher levels of glutamate than MSG and seems to be not good at all for your noggin (particularly later in life)... high levels of glutamate have also been shown to act as accelerating the speed some types of cancers grow and spread

am just reposting this for others to check out, haven't fully looked it over myself... seems to agree with my own feelings towards not wanting to have too much of certain types of soy products in my diet, when vegan or not... sometimes it makes me feel gross... anything that makes me feel even a little ill I try to limit in my diet... "listen to your body" is the wisest diet suggestion I've heard

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm#a/

http://www.drwong.us/FramelessPages/Articles/SoyPoison.htm

http://www.mercola.com/2000/jan/16/soy%20_protein%20_unhealthy.htm?aid=CD12/

http://www.mercola.com/1997/archive/soybean_concerns.htm?aid=CD12/

http://www.mercola.com/2000/feb/13/more_on_soy.htm?aid=CD12/

excerpt from this interview - http://www.newstarget.com/020550.html

Mike: I find a lot of the vegetarian foods, or so-called health foods, use yeast extracts.

Dr. Blaylock: The worst of the things they're doing are the soy extracts. Soybeans, naturally, have one of the highest glutamate levels of any of the plant products. When you hydrolyze it, you release the glutamate, and the soy protein isolates. The glutamate levels are higher than a lot of what you'll find in MSG products, yet the vegetarians are just eating it like it's the healthiest thing in the world.

There was a 25-year study done, which looked at people who consumed the most soy products, and they followed them for 25 years and did serial CT scans. They found out that the people who consumed the most soybean products had the greatest incidence of dementia and brain atrophy.

These people are destroying their nervous system, and I talked to a lot of them who complained of severe migraine headaches. I said, "Get off the soy," and they do, and that migraine headache goes away. In addition, you have very high manganese levels, which is toxic to the very same part of the brain that produces Parkinson's. You've got a mixture of toxins with soy products, and the people think they are eating a healthy, nutritious product. It's destroying their nervous system, as well as other organs.

Mike: In this whole debate of soy versus cow's milk, we find misinformation in both camps.

Dr. Blaylock: I wouldn't recommend either one. If you're obsessed with milk, use goat's milk. It's closer to human milk, but I wouldn't recommend cow's milk or soy milk. I think people ought to avoid soy products as if they were poison. [...]

Mike: What about the argument from food companies? I actually got into a debate with a veggie burger manufacturer, because I wrote an article that said their product had yeast extract in it, and yet the front label said, "100 percent all-natural ingredients." They said, "Well, glutamate appears naturally in other foods, like tomatoes and seaweed." What's your answer to that kind of defense?

Dr. Blaylock: Sure, but you see, all of these types of glutamate are bound. They're in oligosaccharides, polysaccharides. They are bound in amino acids groupings. They're not free amino acids. If you have it as a complex protein, you absorb it in your GI tract. In the GI tract, there are almost no free amino acids if you eat foods such as tomatoes. The level of free amino acids is nil; it's almost all absorbed as combined amino acids, and then it's only broken down in the liver, where it's released in very low concentrations that the body can deal with. It was never meant to have free amino acids in such high concentrations.

Well, when you hydrolyze them -- or you use yeast extract or enzymes to break down these various proteins into their free, released amino acids -- they're not natural any longer. What you've done is artificially release the amino acids in an unnatural way, and when they enter your GI tract, they are absorbed as free amino acids, then your blood level of that glutamic acid goes up significantly. As I said, it can go up as high as 20-fold, in some cases 40-fold. Your blood brain barrier is not constructed to handle such high levels of glutamate, because it doesn't naturally occur that way. It can handle the lower levels, but it can't handle these very high levels. So this argument, "Oh, it's natural," is just a lot of nonsense.

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Now maybe you can chock this up to me being full of shit, but as tasty as soy mils is on cereal, and useful as tofu is in fleshing out a stir fry (and is deep fried with pepper salt at so good in Ottawa) it always makes me feel strangely ethereal...like you could fly a paper airplane through my head. Never truly felt it was as great as people say it is...

another reason to eat REAL FOOD (as soy proteins are highly processed) but taking into account the fact that othe than brunch today I've eaten nothing but frozen pizzas, I have been known to be a hypocrite. Glad it's really only when it comes to eating and rage-fuelled littering.

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soy isnt all its cracked up to be. especially now that they have genetically modified some soy crops to grow better etc etc. damn fackers facking with nature.

i never knew this stuff though, about the glutamates. thanks paisley, even though i dont eat alot of it, because i try not to eat GM foods.

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The Captain and I have been buying Schneiders Oh Naturel products lately and been lovin' them...but after reading all this my suspicions that it tasted too good to be that good for you might be true...I looked on their site and its all made with soy from what I read...but there were no real ingrediant details, I'm gonna read the packaging tonight... anyone else try these and have more info?

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http://www.schneiders.ca/products.aspx?categoryID=7

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The Captain and I have been buying Schneiders Oh Naturel products lately and been lovin' them...but after reading all this my suspicions that it tasted too good to be that good for you might be true...I looked on their site and its all made with soy from what I read...but there were no real ingrediant details, I'm gonna read the packaging tonight... anyone else try these and have more info?

the article doesn't knock all soy products... it knocks soy extracts which unleash the glutamate within that are usually bonded to other things in the soy... when the glutamate is freed up thats no good

(not saying anything one way or the other about 'Oh Natural' products, never had them... does sound suspicious maybe though)

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