Basher Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Not so fast afro poppa. Dude plays the same position as Bosh (ture PF), has $44 Million left on his contract (2 years), and has averaged 50 games played a season over the past 5.I called in to the Sirius NBA show at lunch, and Mitch Lawrence absolutely HATED the trade from the Raptors perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afro poppa Posted June 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Yea good point.I think it would be cool to get him, something tells me BC is going to make a GREAT trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I acually don't hate the trade, as long as the Raptors do due diligence investigating O'Neal's health. Obviously, he would have to pass a physical for the deal to go through.I figure, even if he is a total bust, you have a $23M expiring contract to trade next season. Those are gold in today's NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Source: Toronto-Indiana deal off By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 3 hours, 10 minutes agoTalks between the Toronto Raptors and Indiana Pacers about a trade that would have included Jermaine O’Neal and T.J. Ford fell apart on Monday afternoon, a league executive with knowledge of the negotiations said.For the past two days, Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo had been pushing the idea of sending Ford, Rasho Nesterovic and the No. 17 pick in Thursday’s draft for O’Neal. For a few hours on Monday, there was a sense that the deal was close, but ultimately concerns over the damaged state of O’Neal and Ford were too much to consummate the trade.The Pacers were concerned about Ford’s future with his past neck injuries, but were willing to start rebuilding without O’Neal and the $44 million owed him over the next two years. O’Neal played just 42 games a year ago, because of a left knee injury.The trade would have given Indiana the 11th and 17th picks in the draft, allowing Indiana to take a point guard and a forward. The Raptors have been one of the league’s most active teams in trying to move up in the draft, and they’ve made no secret about their desire to move Ford and make restricted free agent Jose Calderon the point guard of the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 O'neal could be active as acentre beside Bosh but I prefer the idea of Diaw... cheaper and more reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 O’Neal nearing trade to Toronto for Ford By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 19 minutes agoNEW YORK – After on-and-off again negotiations, the Indiana Pacers are close to an agreement to send six-time All-Star Jermaine O’Neal to the Toronto Raptors for point guard T.J. Ford and the 17th pick in Thursday’s NBA draft, a league executive said Wednesday.After nearly completing the deal earlier in the week, Pacers and Raptors officials needed to exchange more medical information on O’Neal’s left knee and Ford’s neck before finding a comfort level with the trade. It is believed both sides now are comfortable making the deal, and barring a last-minute change of heart, it’s expected to be completed within hours.Toronto also will send Rasho Nesterovic and another role player to match up with O’Neal’s salary. O’Neal is owed $44 million over the next two seasons. He played just 42 games for Indiana a year ago with a left knee injury. O’Neal has expressed a desire to leave the Pacers for a contender.Ford, who has a history of neck injuries, became expendable when Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo decided that he wanted to make Jose Calderon the franchise’s future at point guard.The Pacers would now hold the 11th and 17th picks in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 Bummer. I'm not sure he's gonna be worth the dough if he starts squakin'. Not to mention we still need a three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 The deal is done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 I'm bitching about a six time all star... I'm a dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Now the question is would you rather gamble on a young Hibbert who may end up injury prone or do you stick with a proven injury struck player like O'neal who'll give you an all-star in 50 games? We know what Larry Legend prefers. Somehow I feel like we're getting the short end while Indiana uses us to revamp a desperately dissonant roster. I think people are discounting Rasho as a role player who can teach Hibbert how to win, and the gluttony of pointguards that they are using to trade with Portland for more missing pieces. I see the Pace making a major turnaround this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afro poppa Posted June 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 man if oneal is healthy this is a great trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 All reports are that O'Neal is healthy. He told AP yesterday that the extended time on the injured list last year was "a career move". He is also happy to be on the team, and clearly has something to prove to get one more nice contract after the 09-10 season.I love this trade too, and as many noted NBA columnists/experts (Stan Van Gundy, Peter Vescey, Ian Eagle, Dee Brown, John Hollinger...) have said, this makes Toronto a contender in the East NEXT season. Many feel that only Boston and Detroit should be ranked higher than Toronto in the East, and that the Raps leapfrogged Orlando and Cleveland, while putting seperation bewtween themselves and teams like Atlanta and Philly.Can't wait for Halloween! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afro poppa Posted June 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 yea man, a front court of oneal and bosh is amazing, speed, agility, defense (from Oneal), and shooting (from Bosh), will give us one of the best front courts in the east Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 we'll still get torched on D at the 3 spot but I like the trade too. Not to mention that Bosh and O'neal are buddies and they want to play together. I jus hope there's some fire in that belly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 (edited) Any interest in Nachbar or even Dooling? Edited July 2, 2008 by Guest Because Ron Artest is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 No money. Team, as it stands right now, is complete. All that will be added is a min-$$ third-string PG and another min $$ guy.From Doug Smith in the Star:2008-09 RAPTORSWhen all is said and done and official, this is how the Raptor roster is shaping up:LIKELY STARTERSJose CalderonHe'll be around for a whileAnthony ParkerVeteran in final year of dealJason KaponoWill be given shot at jobChris BoshGetting some frontcourt helpJermaine O'NealTrying to recapture careerTHE BENCHRoko UkicLong-awaited arrival will happenAndrea BargnaniIn a clearly defined roleJamario MoonNeeds to expand his gameKris HumphriesThe fourth big man againJoey GrahamWill he break through this year?Hassan AdamsBack in league after year in ItalyNathan JawaiBig Aussie will listen and learnSTILL TO COMEOne player at least to get to league-mandated minimum of 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 And this, from RealGM:2008/2009 Salaries, Cap, Luxury tax Threshold and MLEJermaine O'Neal $21,352,500Chris Bosh $14,410,581Jose Calderon $8,000,000 (estimate)Jason Kapono $5,784,480Andrea Bargnani $5,176,440Anthony Parker $4,550,000Kris Humphries $3,200,000Roko UkicJoey Graham $2,449,184Hassan Adams $711,517Jamario Moon $711,517Nathan Jawai $442,114 (not counted towards luxury tax)(Jorge Garbajosa) ($2,000,000) (estimate)Approximate Salary Total: $68,346,219*If Garbajosa is signed to a contract in Europe, our cap hit will be decreased by one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran.*From 06/07 to 07/08 the Salary cap increased by $2.5 million*From 06/07 to 07/08 the Luxury Tax Threshold increased by $2,445,000Projected 2008/2009 NBA Salary Cap: $58,130,000Projected 2008/2009 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold: $70,310,000Projected MLE : $5,356,000Funds Permitted for Raptors Use: $1,963,781 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 So we're getting in line for a bottom of the east playoff spot and eating shit to get some more help in the future draft...again?sweetballs on my chin again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Trog, I don't understand your premise. The Raps plan is to have a stable 9-10 man rotation this year. The starting line of O'Neal, Bosh, Kapono, Parker and Calderon, with Bargnani, Ukic, Moon and Humphries coming off the bench looks pretty darn good to me.Many so-called experts are saying the Raps could very well be the second best team in the East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afro poppa Posted July 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 We need to wait and see what happens to Detroit and what Orlando/Cleveland/Washington/Philadelphia et al. do but if O'Neal can stay healthy then we have a good chance at being a top 3 seed in the East. Even if O'Neal stumbles we are still a playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Trog, I don't understand your premise. The Raps plan is to have a stable 9-10 man rotation this year. The starting line of O'Neal, Bosh, Kapono, Parker and Calderon, with Bargnani, Ukic, Moon and Humphries coming off the bench looks pretty darn good to me.Many so-called experts are saying the Raps could very well be the second best team in the East.I agree. Not every team can have a Big 3 like Boston or a Super Star like Kobe. Looking at the Raps roster and then looking at the rest of the East I would say the Raps are definitley a playoff contender with a great chance of a top 4 spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 As it turned out last year, the Raptors' so-called depth had a lot to do with the struggle the team had finding an identity. Guys like Kapono and Delfino had no idea when or if their minutes would come. Bargnani didn't know if he was going to be a starter or come off the bench. Humphries would play solid for a couple games, then not see the floor for the next 3. Calderon/TJ, well, you know how that went.If you ask players what they want, aside from the general answer of "more PT", they would tell you they want a defined role that they can count on and fill.The players on the roster will get that chance next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Here are the benches of the Celtics, Pistons, Magic and Cavs for last season:Celtics:S. Cassell, J. Posey, G. Davis, L. Powe, T. Allen, E. House, PJ. BrownPistons:A. Afflalo, A. McDyess, R. Stuckey, T. Ratliff, W. Herrmann, J. Hayes, A. JohnsonMagic:K. Bogans, K. Dooling, M. Gortat, C. Arroyo, A. Foyle, P. Garrity, JJ. RedickCavs:D. Jones, J. Smith, A. Pavlovic, A. Varejao, D. Brown, D. Jones, B. Thomas-----As you can see, in most cases, the bench has little impact on the success of the team overall. The quality of your starting 5 is of the utmost importance, and that is why the Raps brass switched gears and took this approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Who's the backup pointguard now?If Bargnani plays up to his potential... yeah right. I saw him defined as a player who is lazy on D, inconsistent on offense and who is often the most out of position on the floor, it was a role that the raps could have done without in the playoffs and it prevented a lot of pick and roll opportunities. Kapono is an excellent player... in the playoffs, but he doesn't move his feet quickly on D, and he may not be able to give a consistent effort where the raps have been getting torched.Parker is an excellent six or seven, but as a starter he leaves a dramatic hole against any big two or three and I'm also wary of the defensive efforts of moon.Do you like the sound of a Barg's/Humph starting lineup cause we could easily see that for a couple of weeks should injuries coincide... I'm skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Who's the backup pointguard now?They've just signed Italian league PG Roko Ukic, their 2nd round pick in the 2005 draft. He looked good this past year in Europe and will be their back-up PG, unless of course they still go out and get another player or the unlikely chance that a summer league player beats Ukic out as the #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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