ersh Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 A stagehand friend of mine posted a link to this article. Scary.http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3AfD3u4g5Kot8J%3Awww.audiothru.com%2F%3Fp%3D2267&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=radiohead-stage-collapse-live-nation-at-fault+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Whoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 That's quite an account of what happened. Somewhere along the line, someone made the decision to risk it. Probably ONE person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodRev Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Jeff that article is crazy. This whole situation is such a bummer. What a shame a guy had to die because they tried to preserve the enormity of the light and video show. If the "extra" stuff hadn't been hung, would it really have mattered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 I hope that unattributed unproven account taken from a social media site is wrong, because if that's what happened it's a fucking scandal and those responsible should be in jail. Not to mention business sanctions etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hartamophone Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 I just heard Mark Monahan (Ottawa Bluesfest) on CBC. He said that they are going with a stronger, welded steel stage this year (as opposed to steel and aluminum), will have the stage inspected by an engineering firm, and will have a meteorologist on staff. Too bad that it took last year's near-catastrophe to implement the changes, but it sounds like they are serious about doing everything they can to keep it safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edger Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Apparently Schwa knows a thing or two about keeping stages erect In all seriousness though I just don't understand why what seems to be basic safety protocols are not the norm. Shouldn't the potential penalties (if death and injury of your musicians and patrons is not enough) be so exhorbitant that no one in their right mind would ever put their neck on the line? Has anyone been held financially liable for any of the many recent stage collapses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 If the investigations took less than eternity perhaps regulations that come as a result of said investigations could be implemented and enforced sooner. The Ottawa collapse is still under investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edger Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) Yeah isn't that always the way. Still you would think that some sort of precedent would be set or extra diligence taken even if the final verdict hasn't rolled in given the amount of times it has now happened. I would like to think the judicial process would be less tolerant given the amount of "opportunities for learning" that have now presented themselves.Edit to add: I mean I am fully aware of and obviously willing to take a calculated risk every time I go to a large concert even. Shit can and does happen. But this just seems so grossly inexcusable (barring maybe the event in Alberta where extreme weather was a factor) and even then... This shouldn't have to be factored into people's risk/benefit analyses... Edited June 18, 2012 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Wish Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 This was a comment on Luke Doucets facebook page in response to him asking if anyone knew if the above report had any merit: Shaun Shuell: Ya Luke . Know the Nasco rigger Izzy that puts up that rig @ Downsview every year . Very competent fellow and all the stories I've heardabout him saying it was too much are true . He refused to sign off on it (good for him) and LN brought in a yes man to sign off on it. And btw , never seen you around when it was time to fly the PA and/or lights , lol . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Here's the ottawa bluesfest press release. Obviously they saw their brand being mentioned in the news reports as a stat and realized it was time to let everyone know about the changes.Ottawa, June 18, 2012 – For the past 11 months the Ottawa Bluesfest organization has been working toward increased safety measures for the main stage that will be in place for the 2012 event.Festival organizers have chosen a new design and product for the main stage roof structure. In 2011, the Ottawa Bluesfest utilised a Mega Stage MK III mobile stage structure. This differs from the Premier Global Productions (PGP) roof structure that will be used this year, in that the MK III is a mobile structure that is of steel and aluminum construction, while the new PGP stage is prefabricated in the plant, is of welded steel construction, and is assembled “from the ground up†on site.The Premier Global Production roof system, to be used at the 2012 Bluesfest, is composed of open web steel trusses spanning 76' across the main stage and 60' upstage to downstage with 26' by 12' PA grid on each side of the main stage. The main trusses are 24" wide by 60" deep. The trusses are connected at their ends by grade-8 structural bolted connections top and bottom and additional steel bracing. The columns are lattice towers are 24"x24" for the main stage and 18"x18" in the PA bays. All components are of welded steel construction (built in the plant) and all on-site connections are Grade-8 structural bolted connections. This system has concrete ballast on all tower bases, with a total ballast weight of 113,000 kg (250,000 pounds).The 2012 PGP stage is being analyzed for standard loads (lighting and sound) configurations and also specialised rigging loads for some performers. All load scenarios are analyzed using an engineering finite element model of the stage. The final design will be signed and certified by a professional engineer. We have an emergency plan in place to address inclement weather.It is important to note that the new main stage is a completely different design style from the scaffold stage at Parc Downsview Park, where an accident occurred on Saturday June 16, 2012. While we do not have the design details of the stage at Parc Downsview Park, from the photographs it can be seen that it is of scaffold construction versus our stage from Premier Global Productions, which is of all welded steel construction and structural fasteners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 It is important to note that the new main stage is a completely different design style from the scaffold stage at Parc Downsview Park, where an accident occurred on Saturday June 16, 2012.The more information that comes out, it would appear it was not an accident, but gross negligence on the part of LiveNation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 The next 7 shows (at least) are cancelled too.Hello everyone,As you will probably have heard the roof over the stage collapsed at our show in Toronto killing crew member Scott Johnson and injuring three other crew members. The collapse also destroyed the light show – this show was unique and will take many weeks to replace. The collapse also caused serious damage to our backline, some elements of which are decades old and therefore hard to replace.Whilst we all are dealing with the grief and shock ensuing from this terrible accident there are also many practical considerations to deal with & consequently we have to try and reschedule the following shows...We will make every effort to offer the fans the very best show possible under the circumstances – thanks for your understanding and support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ge-off Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 I'm a bit late to this party.. and that link to that "insider info" stuff is now dead.. what did it say that pointed to negligence on the part of Live Nation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localcrew Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 ...can't tell exactly what video screens those are in the picture but have worked with plenty that are that big and light enough that one person could lift it.......don't know what all is hanging from that roof though....I've heard that the band's management was involved in hiring an engineer who would let the gig go on after one refused to let it happen.....on another cheery note-the only staging fail I have been part of in 10 years of staging Canada Day on P Hill was when the co. that is staging Blues Fest this year provided the stage-they ended up paying $300 an hour for 3 days crane rental to hold up the roof that failed.....as well as over $100,000 for a fancy P Hill fence post that they took out with one of their trucks-also only time I've seen that happen....NCC ended up impounding their gear for a while......they had a different name back then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Can you clarify that post?Are you saying that the company providing the stage for Bluesfest 2012 provided another stage in the last 10 years, in Ottawa, that also collapsed or was compromised? If so, that's a big deal..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localcrew Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 I rhink it was LN who paid the engineer to pass the stage as was said earlier......The stage company this year at Bluesfest used to be called volhoffer (sp?)...had at least one go down years ago and generally have a bad rep......now each of their stages is treated as it's own company under the umbrella company so if anyrhing goes wrong they can bankrupt that particular company and' carry on......ah well...hope for the best ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 yes, nothing like attending a festival and 'hoping' that the stage wont fall down ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouche Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 I'm confident bluesfest will have every possible risk handled. There's no way they'll take any risks. It'd be a fair bet that they would even contract a meteorologist to setup advanced warnings for potential weather problems too. There's enough radar and even hobbyist weather watchers to tap into in case anything is coming our way. Some golf courses have lightning detection equipment that will warn a minimum of 15 minutes in advance of strikes. The tech is available so I hope they are on that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localcrew Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 It is unthinkable that they wouldn't have constant contact with weather updates .......they had it last year and chose ro ignore it.......they also had amatuers who attached the back skinwith aircraft cables so it did not tear away in the wind as it was supposed to.....they also chose to rent a stage from a disreputable company and put it all in the hands of an incompetent rigger.......we all hope for the best when we drive our car, go in an elevator etc......I hope for the best every day at work when I stand underneath these rigs ......I feel much more hopeful when there are skilled people making the right choices for the right reasons....that's where I choose to work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ge-off Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Crew member talks to CityTV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phorbesie Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Radiohead played their first show back tonight, before Everything in the Right Place at the end of the encore they dedicated it to Scott, the crew member who died in Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 They opened their show with the song Lucky as it could have been so very much worse than it already was.Setlist01 Lucky02 Bloom03 Morning Mr Magpie04 15 Step05 There There06 Staircase07 The Gloaming08 Separator09 I Might Be Wrong10 Pyramid Song11 Nude12 Identikit13 Lotus Flower14 Feral15 Little By Little16 Paranoid Android——17 Treefingers (live debut)18 Give Up The Ghost19 Videotape20 Weird Fishes/Arpeggi21 Ful Stop22 After The Gold Rush/Everything In It Right Place23 Idioteque——24 Reckoner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ge-off Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Radiohead played their first show back tonight, before Everything in the Right Place at the end of the encore they dedicated it to Scott, the crew member who died in Toronto. got a few chills looking at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Wish Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Maybe someone needs to do some reengineering of LEDs to figure out how to make them lighter.....http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1552285/multiple-injuries-reported-on-eve-of-ultra-music-festival-in-miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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