Did either of those guys come out of retirement and fuck over the Raiders, forcing them to make a trade to another team where its all about "me me me" and then throw a hissy fit because the coach called them out during a video session because they werent playing well? Nooooooooooooooooooo.............fuck Brett Farve. I used to have a ton of respect for him. And what did he do when it all mattered? 1 TD, 3 INT's Mangini ends up getting fired, not Brett. He is the white man's Terrell Owens. Sure, he has won his superbowl but that was over 10 years ago. Time to come to the inevitable realization the rest of us know Brett and stop screwing around with franchise's futures. (So says the guy who has been defending Mats Sundin)