Thorgnor Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 TJ and Rasho for Okur and Korver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Don't like that. Korver is a role player. If you package those two Raps, you gotta get at least another player, possibly a low 1st round pick in this year's draft thrown in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I was thinking about the energetic legit centre but sure, ruin my attempt with perfectly sound logic... geek highway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Add Garbajosa for Deron Williams... is that a little better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 You tell me, you're a basketball geek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Garbajosa is still kinda unproven vs. williams all-star status so I'd say so but I still kinda like Calderon as a two guard so it might work... and don't take it personal, we're all geeks and we all know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Scratch that Garbo comment... he's going back to Spain and we get to... wait for it...To pay out his 4.6 mil contract, sweet, eh?I guess it leaves some cap space but no capital to trade with again.Question; Why do the Raptors continually allow players to not produce and then fuck off and then pay them out? Who signs these retarded contracts cause it's holding the team back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Trog, his NBA days are done because of his injury. Can't trade him, and it is only 1 year. The contract was gold until he got injured.There is a negotiated buyout that is less than the 4.6M contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 You're right about the dough however,What I'm saying is that he's got one year left and he's going to be playing somewhere else (Spain) and we're going to pay him to do it. Why not let him try one more time and pay him to work? I still think he's got mad talent and I want him to succeed in the NBA. Why abandon the possibility? Plus Barg's is shifty without him, check his stats while G was on the floor, much better and he was much more aggressive with the big around. They also make a better package for trading than B does alone or with TJ, (IM[notalwaysso]HO). I just rue the way that players control the league through fear and cowardice, both their own and the owner's and fans. Seems to me the opposite of the attitude that got the Celtics the championship. I think he's packing it in and I think that's lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 BC wants the roster spot, which is why the buyout is going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 He knows more than I do for sure but it seems awkward to let so many players walk away with money without producing anything but space. That said he's improved the team and the franchise itself quite a bit in the past little while so I'm interested to see what he can make of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 This is the first player Colangelo has bought out. Don't lump him in with the other chumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afro poppa Posted June 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 So realistically, what can we expect from the Raps this summer?Do they trade Bargs? What are we going to get for TJ Ford (I can't see the guy staying)? Who are we going to draft? What other kind of roster shakeup can we expect, if any?For those questions: No, there is no way we give up on Bargs that easily. For Ford I hope we fill a need of an athletic wing that can create for himself and become a viable number 2 option (or even number 1) or a big man that crash the boards and give us some toughness inside. For the draft I have no idea. As far as other roster moves I could see us trading away guys like Rasho (coming off a career year, expiring contract) and AP (his position is the one that we need to upgrade at the most and we have a few serviceable backups)What do you all think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 (edited) Fair enough Basher, like I said BC's smarter than me.Onward,Rasho is a good luck charm, I hope they can keep him for depth. As much as I like AP I don't think he's atop shelf defender and I would love to see a guy like Raja Bell, or even Cuttino Mobley who moves more without the ball iuf we're trading off on defensive ability. Bosh is so stationary that we need the perimiter mobility that we lost when Mo Pete left. I still like Okur as a big man that might be attainable but I just don't see any reason to hang on to Bargs when he still has trade value and we've got a glut of power forwards who can't really compete with all-stars at the centre or the small forward position (Humph, Bargs, Graham, Bosh, Baston etc)That said the Garbo buyout leaves a lot of room for trades that could aquire both the size and the talent this off-season. Detroit, Phoenix, Dallas and Denver all seem to need shakups, could be surprising who moves this year after the success of Boston's trades. Edited June 19, 2008 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Lots is going to go on this summer. Delfino is probably gone, we know Garbo is gone, Brezec is gone, TJ is almost 100% gone.Parker is a nice bench player playing the role of starter, and I could easily see him being added to a deal with TJ, and Rasho, as an expiring contract, will almost certainly be gone before the trade deadline, if not sooner.The draft is deep enough this year that they could get a contributer at 17, but don't rule out a trade to either move up in teh draft, or get out entirely.IMHO, this roster will have no less than 5 new faces come October, with is a third of the roster.As for predictions on players coming this way - I don;t even bother with that. Too many possibilities to go through, but word is guys like Chris Wilcox, Mike Dunleavey, and Corey Maggette are high on the Raps wish list.Some deals will be done between draft day and July 15th - that is a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afro poppa Posted June 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 How is Delfino probably gone? The guy stepped up huge last year? FA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 He is a restricted free agent, and the Raps likely won't have to money to sign him, nor will they want to spend the money they have on a streaky guy like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 And to say he stepped up huge is a massive overstatement. We saw what frustrated those in Detroit. Short spurts of brilliance scattered amongst massive spells of invisibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afro poppa Posted June 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 man considering we got Delfino for a couple 2nd round picks I think he did quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 We totally wasted Brezec and his fouls against Howard and the magic, that was dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 I don't think that Delfino, Brezec and a few others can move until after the season starts so I dunno if they'll go that quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Brezec is a free agent, Delfino is a restricted free agent. Fact check my man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 where? I'm no insider and I'm no internet wiz either, not to mention I live in basketball black hole London. If you check the trade machine that Poppa posted that's where I was taking my heads up from. It's not so updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Closing in on a Ford deal Told you it was going to be a busy week of rumours and speculation and trade talk. It’s all very tentative and quite up in the air but the Raptors have already investigated the possibility of a blockbuster trade that would net them a veteran – yet expensive – NBA centre. According to league sources, Toronto has had talks with the Indiana Pacers about acquiring 29-year-old Jermaine O’Neal for a package that would include T.J. Ford, Rasho Nestervoic and, perhaps, the 17th pick in this week’s draft. The talks are not the point where any deal is imminent and a deal is certainly not assured but the source said the Raptors are aggressively trying to move Ford and O’Neal is one of their targets. Toronto also still has serious interest in forward Boris Diaw of the Phoenix Suns and is in talks with at least three other teams for trades of a similar magnitude. O’Neal is coming off an injury-riddled season in which he played just 42 games and averaged 13.6 points and 6.7 rebounds per game. The 6-11 centre has been working out in Las Vegas since just after the 2007-08 season ended and according to reports has just begun full-court work. Obtaining O’Neal will be a huge two-year financial commitment for the Raptors. He’s due to make about $21 million (all figures U.S.) this season and $23 million in 2009-10. To make the trade work under NBA salary cap rules, Toronto would have to add some other pieces in addition to Ford and Nesterovic but they have several less expensive expiring contracts that would make it work. But even if the O’Neal trade doesn’t materialize, it does signal just how hard the Raptors are trying to move Ford so they can hand over the starting point guard job to restricted free agent Jose Calderon. With Phoenix still in the mix and the other teams having talks with Toronto, it would appear Bryan Colangelo will have plenty of options to sift through before Thursday’s draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afro poppa Posted June 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 hoyl bananas jermaine o neal would be awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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