StaggerLee

I've been in the same position a bunch of times and have also been ticketed. The best thing to do is talk to your neighbors ahead of time and give them your phone number so they can call if they get pissed. Most people are reasonable if you explain the situation and ask them to complain to you instead of the cops.

I just downloaded Bradm's recording and gave it a listen. It was my first time hearing the band and I'm blown away. It's like Rheostatics meets Violent Femmes meets John Spencer Blues Explosion. Awesome.

While a baby girl copies the scene where Lisa appears to be driving Marg’s car.

(It strikes me as funny that it required two reporters to research and write this story.)

And they still got it wrong. Everyone knows it's Maggie, not Lisa.

I use a free one called Avast! which seems fine to me, though I'm no expert.

So what's the story on knives in schools generally speaking? When I went to school I always wore a swiss army knife on my belt. Is that not permitted these days?

Vorcza

Chuggles

Antigonish, Nova Scotia

September 15, 2004

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Source: SBD > Sony Hi-MD

Lineage: Sony Hi-MD > CD Wave > CDR > EAC > FLAC

Recorded and transfered by: Matt Cameron

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Second Set

1. The Shuffle (9:04)

2. Hat and Beard (9:07)

3. (9:00)

4. Fast Thing (8:18)

5. Shine (6:23)

6. Three Car Church (7:26)

7. (9:04)

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=34306

I love the google ads at the top of the page that accompany a thread like this one.

This recording is okay, but I liked the version they had on their website before. Anyone know where to get an mp3 of it? I should have ripped the stream while I had the chance.

Scott: Hello. My name is Ed.

Mark: [speaks sing-songy throughout] He's sick of the Swiss.

Scott: That's right! I'm sick of their good reputation.

Mark: He's realllly sick of the Swiss.

Scott: I'm sick of their cheese. I'm sick of their chocolate. And, I'm especially sick of their blocky heroine, Heidi.

Mark: He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like `em.

Scott: I mean, every other nation in the world has taken their turn being maligned and slandered. But not the Swi-iss!

Mark: Icky, yucky, stinky, stupid Switzerland.

Scott: Well, that situation is over as of now. *Move* over America; there's a new asshole on the map! I've had it up to here with your skiing heroes! I've had it up to here with your mountains! I've had it up to here with your secret *bank* accounts! From now on, Switzerland, your name is mud.

Mark: If you roast `em all in a fondue pot, sure bet ya that they'll complain a lot. Whiny, whiny Switzerland.

Scott: Yeah. It's *war* between the Swiss and me. "But, they've never done anything wrong," you say.

Both: Ha!

Scott: What about the clock?

Mark: The clock.

Scott: Huh? If they hadn't invented the clock, I'd still be in bed. . .dreaming!

Mark: It's time. It's time. [looks at watch] Oh! It's time to hate the Swiss.

Scott: Zuricheads! Cuckoo cuckoos! Land locked losers!

Mark: Zuricheads. . .

Scott: Neutral ninnies! Boring bankers! Chalet pimps!!

Mark: Oh yeah, his name is Ed--he'd like to see the Swiss dead! He's sick of the Swiss!

Scott: [sticks finger in mouth and gags]

Mark: Hey! Got a problem with that Belgium?!

Scott: [gives the two-handed equivalent to the finger] Umph!

Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds -- Abbatoir Blues

Sure, the cartoons are the centre of a big news story, but as d rawk said, the descriptions of the cartoons are adequate, and the cartoons are easy to find on the internet if one really feels the need to see them. This Levant guy is obviously fanning the flames under the guise of just doing his job as a reporter. He does little to hide his agenda when he says:

Christians only react by writing a letter to the editor.

"They don't bomb embassies and behead journalists," Levant said.

This is what gets me. The implication that Christians are civilized and peace-loving while Muslims are violent savages. What about abortion clinics that have been bombed and doctors that have been shot? What about the vast majority of Muslims who have protested these cartoons peacefully?

As Dr. Evil Mouse said, the demonstrations held by Muslims in Canada have all been peaceful. A person's likelihood of using violence as a means has less to do with religion more to do with their access to political, social, and economic power.

Just yesterday I got a copy of Steven MacDougall's CD Spanish Bay. It's short but sweet -- worth picking up a copy.

Band/Artist: Raisinhill

Date: July 23rd, 2004

Venue: Homegrown Music Network Stage - Smilefest 2004

Location: Van Hoy Farms - Union Grove, NC

Source: AKG 480(ck63)>Oade Mod UA-5>JB3 Optical-In (Wav @ 44.1khz)

Lineage: JB3>USB>Adobe Audition 1.0>CD Wave>.flac16

Taped by: joel at jamlivedotorg

Transferred by: joel at jamlivedotorg

1. Growin' Up

2. New One

3. Nameless

4. Sweet Dreams

5. Big Top Cowboy

6. V.S.S.

7. Housefly Tapdance

8. Maker's March

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=17032&from=browsePopular

Band/Artist: Slowcoaster

Date: December 23rd, 2005

Venue: The Upstairs,

Location: Sydney,N.S.

Source: Sure SM58 + Seinheiser E609 > Mixpad 4 > MZ-N707

Lineage: MZ-N707 > SOUNDFORGE v6.0 > CDWAVE v.1.76 > SHORTEN- 3.5.1 > SHN

Taped by: Eric Mac Innis,

Transferred by: Eric Mac Innis,

01 Intro

02 Phat Groove

03 Droppin the Dime

04 Desert Island

05 San Simone

06 Violent Sister

07 420

08 Orange Peel Inn

09 The Film

10 Theme

11

01 Prison Guard

02 Aquamarine Tears

03 Moth Caught In November

04 Washing Machine

05 Hide Tide

06 I cant get high

07 Breaks Dont work #

08 Feel it in my bones

09 The Joke

10 Missin it

11 Temporary Chances

This is the most recent Sloco show on the archive. They play every tune from their first two albums plus a few more.

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=33570

Chameleon, your first post didn't limit the topic to just rock as you seem to imply in your most recent post, but even if you look at just rock I think there are many examples of great music recorded post 1980. Are you asking about our own personal tastes and whether or not we'll be listening to modern stuff in years to come, or are you refering to mainstream tastes and whether or not modern music will one day be considered by the masses to be classic?

I'm gonna guess you mean the mainstream rock since you refered to what's on the radio. If this is the case think about Nirvana, U2, the Clash, the Police, Guns & Roses, Pearl Jam, INXS, No Doubt, Duran Duran, RHCP's, Talking Heads, REM, Bruce Springsteen, Prince, Metallica, Beck, Rage Against the Machine, etc. If you move away from just what's on the radio to the "alternative" mainstream stuff then you've got Sonic Youth, Violent Femmes, Weezer, Tool, Jane's Addiction, Liz Phair, Portishead, Pixies, etc.

The list goes on and on. If you don't like this stuff that's fine, I don't like all the bands I've mentioned, but they are just a few of many that I think will stand the test of time. This topic as you presented it is very subjective. When I think of bands that are considered classic rock, I think a lot of it is pretty lame, or as you said, "bland and bores me to tears." I also think that if you could get ahold of some radio playlists from back in the day, you would find just as much crap on the radio back then as there is now.

You're assertion that all other genres of music have "a rock influence in it that is pervasive and swallows everything" is also pretty subjective. One could say that all music has a blues influence that is pervasive and swallows everything and it would be equally true. All music is derivative to some extent. I don't see any particular genre as more influential or more derivative than any other.

As for the music industry not supporting bands and just churning out music they think the public will want, there is some truth to this, but I would say these practices were alive and well even back in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. Even with Nickleback and their kin dominating the charts these days, I think things are getting better with the internet making it possible for independant companies to reach large audiences.

I've tried Acid Pro as well, but find Audacity a little simpler to use -- and I like the notion of open source programs. I've heard talk of Soundforge before for certain uses, but I was under the impression is was not a multi-track program, am I wrong?

StaggerLee, I'll give you $10 for your Avatar.

seriously.

Ha, I boosted it from someone on another board.

Here's another tip for Audacity that took me a while to figure out on my own: if you want to apply an effect like reverb to a track, make a copy of the track and apply the effect to the copy, then play both tracks at once, otherwise you just get the effect without the original track and it sounds bad. I usually just use the effects settings that are suggested in wikipedia as it can be frustrating messing with all the dials when all you want is a little reverb or chorus or whatever. The only thing I really don't like about the program is the EQ which is a pain in the ass to use.

There's an open source multi-tracking program called Audacity for PCs that's decent and easy to use. Google it to find a place to download, then look it up in wikipedia for some tips on use.

I was cruising the net for shows in the T-Dot as I'm headed there for a few days in March, and I came across this:

March 22, 2006 – Rhythm & Truth Brass Band

The Rex Jazz Bar, 194 Queen Street West, Toronto, ON

I've never heard these folks live but their CD "Fife & Drum" is incredible. The band is essentially all brass horns and drums, with band leader Paul Neufeld laying down tuba basslines. From what I know of this band, they play only a few times a year, so get out for this show if you can. Anyone seen or heard these guys? Know anything about the venue? I'm still not sure when in March I'll be in the big city, but I'm really hoping to make this show.

A few song clips here if you want to check it out: http://www.jazzpromo.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=202

Check out his blog if you haven't already.

www.rickmercer.blogspot.com

Oh, and Birdy, you're not dreaming. Google David Emerson for all the details.

I don't have a problem with party jumping in many cases, but to do so immediately after an election is a real kick in the teeth for everyone that voted for the guy, especially in a historically NDP riding. I was watching the tube after the cabinet was announced and both Harper and MacKay were asked about Emerson's switch. Both said he switched parties "in a very non-partisan way." What the fuck does that mean? How can can one move from one party to another in a non-partisan way?

I keep thinking that for the next election I want to show up at rallies for all the parties with a great big placard that will point out in a few words that there is nothing whatsoever that binds a candidate to any promise he or she might issue during a campaign.

you need to postition youself so that you will be i the TV shot with a big sign simply stating

*not a guarantee. this information presented for entertainment purposes only."

This is a great idea, one that should grow to become a nationwide movement. Consider me the first member of the east coast branch -- you'll just have to remind me next election time.

Something that always bothers me is the way these things get reported and recorded in history. Other people's struggles are often seen as necessary or positive even when violence is used as a means in the movement. Think of Rodney King or the IRA for example.

I never said anything like this. I loathe the IRA. And I don't know what positive came out of the Rodney King riots.

I am really' date=' really repulsed by violence.

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My comments weren't directed at you Ollie, just some general thoughts. I certianly didn't mean to put words in your mouth.

As for the IRA and Rodney King, my point was not that the violence was justified, but that often people look at situations like those and say "well the violence was terrible, but at least it brought the issue to world attention and we can focus on the underlying causes," or something to that effect. Many times I heard the Rodney King riots refered to as "a wake-up call for America." I just don't see that happening when Muslims are involved. The explanation for Muslim protest most commonly offered seems to be "Muslims are violent people," or if one digs a little deeper it's because "Muslims hate Jews." I think there's a lot more to it and I don't see the West reaching out to understand Muslim perspectives.

The paper's point ultimately is that no one should have to live in fear for their lives just becuase they criticized something.

This is certainly a valid point and an idea worth promoting, but it is a culturally biased notion. I spent four months living in a Muslim community in Ghana this year. One of the things I noticed very early in my time there was the lack of critical thinking in general, and especially towards certain subjects. There are many reasons for this; education differences where people are not exposed to critical writing or encouraged to think critically as we are in the West, cultural differences where family and social interactions are shaped by a much more rigid heirarchy in which criticism is ignored or simply not permitted, governance differences where criticism is suppressed or punished, religious differences where people are asked to "submit to God" rather than "celebrate" God as most Christians do, etc. I certainly think that the freedom to criticize is important and that this freedom should be promoted in both Muslim and non-Muslim cultures, but it's important to note that critical thinking is a defining characteristic of Western societies, and not necessarily as entrenched in other cultures. I'm not suggesting that Muslims be exempted from criticism, and nothing excuses the threat of violence to suppress criticism, but I think Westerners could show a little more sensitivity than those cartoons did when dishing it out.

I'm with Payce-ley, this incident was just the spark that Muslims needed to stir a reaction after years of being poorly represented in Western media. You can't look at it as a reaction to just the cartoons.

Something that always bothers me is the way these things get reported and recorded in history. Other people's struggles are often seen as necessary or positive even when violence is used as a means in the movement. Think of Rodney King or the IRA for example. When Muslims are involved in violent protest it's terrorism or Islamo-fascism. Rarely are the valid concerns behind Muslim protest ever discussed. The coverage of this cartoon incident is one of the best examples of this kind of poor representation.

I think the issue is tied with race as well as religion. I would say it is fair to compare this situation to many of the race riots in North America that were sparked by specific incidents but were products of years of marginalization. I think it's unfair to paint Muslims as perennially violent people as if Westerners are so much better. All we need to spark a violent riot in Canada is a hockey game. To me this seems much more trivial and unjustified than the Muslim reaction to these cartoons.

It's true that Western Christians don't usually react to criticism of their religion with widespread violent protest, but as Deeps pointed out, most of those folks live in democratic countries where violent protest has been replaced for the most part by non-violent protest and access to media and government. This didn't happen overnight, and Western societies have lots of scars from violent social change in the past. Many Muslims live in countries where they have restricted access to their own media and government, and have fewer options for making their voices heard. Their options for making their voices heard on an international level are even more restricted.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a pacifist and I don't believe violence is a desirable method of social change, but the hipocracy of Westerners that insinuate that whole peoples are somehow more prone to violence than they are really irks me. As Utah says (paraphrased), "the long memory is the most radical idea in America."

A friend of mine put together a dictionary of made-up words we used in our youth. Most of them wouldn't make sense to you folks as their mostly inside jokes, but here's a small selection:

alumnot 1. n. anyone who has some post secondary education, but has not completed a degree. (usually applied to someone who wishes to do so)

antacid 1. n. the antidote for an acid trip (yet to be discovered)

bank (bankable) 1. n. any steep grassy incline directly adjacent to the entrance to one's pad 2. v. to dispose of something by hurling it over the bank to the grassy wilderness below, as in “Hey Bob, what should I do with the bug arena?" -- "Bank it.†3. adj. (bankable) a description of any object too fetid or malodorous to be disposed of in the garbage can.

buttoxen 1. n. the plural of buttocks

cockshy 1. adj. the bashfulness or embarrassment resulting from anything regarding one's penis

cross-corner chicken wing 1. n. a type of pool shot in which a ball in sunk in a corner pocket after bouncing off the opposite long rail

cross-face chicken wing 1. n. a type of pool shot in which a ball is sunk in a side pocket after bouncing off the opposite rail.

crumpet-fed 1. adj. of or pertaining to a person of substantial girth hailing from England. 2. n. a person of substantial girth hailing from England.

flavour island 1. n. any place where something delicious can be savoured

gutterhog 1. n. a female possessing in whole or in part the following characteristics: sexual promiscuity, tight fitting jeans, amply applied make-up, trailer-park hair.

kept 1. adj. describes an object which has been appropriated without permission and will prove to be extraordinarily difficult to re-obtain.

lesbians 1. n. a pair of spectacles with ovular lenses with the long diameter of the oval along the horizontal.

meatlock 1. n a type of pool shot where one shoots the cue ball the length of the table, hitting another ball off the far rail in such a fashion that it goes into the corner pocket that is in the opposite direction of the path of the cue ball.

no potatoes 1. exclamation. a mournful cry lamenting something gone awry. Said with an accent in imitation of a small Irish lad during the potato famine. Its use has since expanded to suit any sad situation, usually not even potato-related.

plip-plip 1. n. the small pool of water collected in the curvature of an overturned mug after running the dishwasher 2. v. to dab with a dishtowel, the water collected in the curvature of an overturned mug after running the dishwasher

puppyskunk 1. n. any initially unidentified four legged earth-bound animal smaller than a breadbox, usually viewed at night

rugby thighs 1. n. the thick athletic thighs that are attained from involvement in sport 2. n. a generic name for any unknown athletic person -- as in "ol' rugby thighs"

Scouie 1. n. a general name for any pet when the real name is not known, or remembered, or enjoyed.

stump the limey 1. n. a game in which the participants bone up on some piece of literary minutia, enter a bookstore in which the shopkeep is British, and subtly attempt to stump her with said trivia.

uncle phil 1. n any pool shot which results in more than one ball being sunk. Coined after the classic Fresh Prince episode where Uncle Phil breaks out 'Lucille' and proceeds to play astoundingly good pool, with many of his shots sinking all of the balls on the table.

Whitey McWhite 1. n. proper name for somebody who emanates a strong sense of whiteness. The word saw extensive use in and around Calgary. Popular variations include Wheaty Wheatfield.

Yeah I checked out that show too and it sounds great, you guys should hit the east coast sometime.

As for the current subject, I think you're way oversimplifying Deeps. After all, your statement:

"I have a bigger problem with countries who elect governments steeped in outdated religious dogma, and perpetuate awful view points with regard to the rights of women and social planning"

...could easily be made about the U.S.

Sure there are countries that are far worse in terms of women's rights, etc. than the States, but you don't have to go back very far in US history, or and Western nation's history for that matter, to find examples of pretty miserable attitudes and policies. It seems awfully self-righteous for the North/West to force democracy down the throats of the South/East, especially when Northern/Western culture is full of hypocrisy and inequality. There are better ways to spread good ideals than dropping bombs.