SmoothedShredder

I support breaking up the nation into more provincially lead units. Canada is too big geographically, too skewed and diluted in terms of it's population and interests... We've been dancing around separation for a long time. Newfoundland wants out... there's a healthy Separation movement in Quebec... the West feels alienated... Ontario's had it's head up it's beautiful ass for 100 years... and PEI... well they're just fucked. I think we could handle it... this federal government thing is getting pretty dysfunctional... If things were more provincial... perhaps citizens would feel they had more of a say in what happens in a democracy... these huge nation-state democracies are way too far reaching and over-zealous. To me it seems like such a simple solution... instead of painting everyone else as such a bad guy... let em do what they like. It's not like any of the provinces are physically going to move... you can still go there if you like. And solutions to problems will come faster and be more tailor made than being bogged down in waiting for the Federal bureaucracy to hand down a ruling based on the interest of the nation-state.

Does anyone even watch the NHL anymore?

[color:purple]I didn't see that coming. Checkmate in 8 moves. The correct play would be downplay the whole 'hate Harper' angle. But no... I think people really underestimated Harpers tactics here. It fucking took guts to do what he did, and to have it come out in the polls in his favour. It was all about the party funding... that's what freaked the other side into a coalition with the separatists! (The only thing I guess all three parties could agree on was wanting that free government subsidy) What a fake on Harper's part, and the oppositions took it hook line and sinker. This is so delicious. It's so true how the people get the government they deserve... not 'think' they deserve. Thanks' coalition from 'saving' us from the penny pinching Conservatives in these incredibly slim months during a huge global downturn. Ha! I don't care how most of y'all think it's a slimy move... it was definitely a move, one that came from a mile away, walked up and silly slapped all three opposition parties, and struck a chord with their only true motivation... self-preservation... I wonder when in the future you'll finally wake up to see that is exactly what just happened here. It was a powerplay, and as it unfolds over the next couple of months, you'll see the results. Wow... just wow. FWIW, I would of preferred they worked it out together and it never came to this... it's so sad how much hate is out there in Canada. Also... I'd love to have a Liberal government... NDP even... but first I'd love to live in a country that can afford them. Or have those 5 other Earths to meet out demand for resources shown up in our orbit recently?

I have one. PM me if interested. I'll be in Ottawa around lunch time tomorrow and can get it to you downtown or at the venue early before the show.

I can see a conservative majority from here. A coalition with no clear mandate wants to take over the country in an economic crisis. The markets are speaking right now... they are not impressed. Shit is getting fucked up now. And things were relatively good there for a while. Sheeeeeeeit.

Yeah, but if I get 4 wins, and you get two wins with 4 ot points... I would win because of the win difference... if it's 3-3, Ot points will be the deciding factor... those are the only scenario's now that might have some problems down the line.

You still get the OT point nes pas? Seems to me we should adhere to this new NHL points system... most points wins.

That sucks AD. TV's better anyways... all those instant replays and reasonably priced beer. Hey Hal. I haven't forgot. You guys win tonight... I'm totally on the ropes!

is that salvia you are talkin about?

congrats Briguy & Hamilton !

Two down against the Islanders. The dream is over. But I still love the team. Anyone that can get Habs fans to sound like menstruating women is alright with me. Tissue man. I get it now.

Me too. Apologies for taking offense to the original post. For getting worked up and goaded in to defending/explaining what I read into it, and for saying things people don't like hear about themselves. It was stupid of me to expect any better from what I was trying to say. I guess I forgot why I stopped posting around here for so long. Thanks for the reminder.

It's not just about make-up.

Two wrongs don't make a right. And what happened to Mulroney when he picked on Cretiens 'uniqueness'. Like I say, I'm not supporting Harper per se... just really tired of seeing the techniques used to bring him down. They don't help get the end that I read so many of you desire. I'm saying if this keeps going on... none of us will ever get what we want.

And I don't think anyone here really thinks Harper is a Nazi... but why fucking put that comment with that picture.... one reason. Stupidity.

So this is all about eye make-up... riiiiiiight. If you don't see the bully tactic in it... there's no way I'll ever convince you now. I didn't say 'full of hatred'... but it is clear it is there. Hidden behind the fear, and the name calling and pointing. Lingering in the shadows of the schoolyard insults many felt fine about throwing his way. That's where the bully tactics started from. Also, the fear of the power Harper holds, no solution to get him out of power, and the desire to bring him down a notch, instead of rising to the occasion on your own. Principles I clearly don't share. Just doesn't seem very enlightened. Hence the hypocracy... all I really read it as is "I hate Harper" And I suppose I hate hate. I see it as a road block to what everyone seems to really want. A good government with people we can respect. I suppose we really do get the government we deserve. Any criticism of Harper at this point, and at these levels of intellegence go completely against that end... and we are all worse off for it. I wish it would stop... but it's clear I'm not very compelling. It's not so much important to me that there are other ways of interpreting it... just that the slippery slope was presented in the first place. And yes... I probably know most people on the board personally. Four years working (paying to work) for grassroots Canadian Bands in Toronto has allowed me to put many names to faces from the board. I stand by what I said. And it's not the rest of the world I need to communicate with. I'm talking to who I need to talk to. Wasn't meant to be offensive? You should work for the McCain Campaign... how naive can you be? How can that be spun in anyway to be a positive? Unless you take comfort in your little club that I like to call Hippie. Besides... this all kind of rests on Kev's shoulders at this point. He opened this can of worms, and has since slinked off. Phishtaper... I can respect your defence of 'having fun' I just don't respect the tact presented in this thread. Kev did wrong. He has a right to do wrong, and everyone has a right to defend him... but I don't have to like it.

He took George Parros down. That's good enough for me.

I heard last night that we can predict how much snow we are going to get by the height at which bees place their hives on trees. Last year they were up really high, and we got lots of snow. This year, apparently, they are close to the ground, which suggest there won't be too much snow. But with the Sunspots being at the low end of its cycle... it's going to be cold... so the lack of snow will probably be due to the fact that it'll be too cold for it to snow!!!

Hippies also equal the "hard left" that I read in the Heather Malik article in another thread.

It was hopefully going to be my closing argument. I'll admit Schwa's comment (now deleted), and Theo chomping at the bit, as well as the continued attempted at trying to label all of this as 'light' and 'funny' and 'not to be taken too seriously', made it important for me to attempt to state clearly what this thread now represented to me. It's funny how one liners seem to cause the most damage. A picture is worth a 1000 words right... but what words? And with not much else said, what kind of conclucions do you think people draw when they see a picture of a Neo-nazi with the words Stephen Harper right underneath it. I think it's important that the distinction is made that Stephen Harper ought not to be the first person connected to a picture of a Neo-Nazi in a thread about the attempted assaination of a presidential candidate.

I guess if you want names... it would be Kev's intitial comment, and some of the stuff DJ and Phishtaper said. Schwa's, "Don't get your panties in a bunch" comment certainly didn't help... but I can see it's gone now. Now both DJ and Phishtaper have backed off a bit, but where is the guy who started this in the first place? Still think you're hillarious Kev? Please use another picture to base your response around... they are soooo hilarious. I have no problem with Hals attempt to refocus the debate on the thread topic... but the others felt the Harper angle was far more important to wedge open. Why?!?! Hippies and Hypocrites I usually equate as the same thing. Someone who says Harper is no good because he does X, and then turns around and does X themselves.

Fack... I know how fun it is to poke fun at Harper... You do this though cause you think you have the high ground for some reason. But it is clear that for some reason there is a foundation of hate here... and even when it squeaks through in some 'funny' comparison... it's still hate. I suppose what I'm saying is that some of you seem all to eager lower yourself to the level of that sniper holding neo-nazi (via hate)... instead of putting Harper down to it. This isn't about Harper, it's about you, and the ridiculous amount of hate that shows here. It's sad. Really sad. Sure you all have each other to pat on the back, and laugh at your own jokes. But this one crossed the line. If I took it as an obvious, albeit totally irrational jab at Harper, others would too. But if you want Harper gone... it's people like me you have to convince. Your hate pretty much makes me want to turn 180 degrees and run. All I'm trying to do is have you convince me on my terms that your alternative is better. Hate is never better. And that's why I have to equate this to some school yard nonsesne. But you guys really aren't 5-10 years old are you? Pathetic... And no... Rick Mercer would never put that picture on the screen, point his little extenda-pointer at it and say "looks like this guy and Harper have the same stylist"... and if he did... he would lose his job. And I would be happy... but Mercer isn't a idiot... My point is, when you clearly lower yourself, your arguments against the guy become thin and useless. Infact... by Goodwining this Assassinate the Black Presidential candidate thread into, lets criticize the elected leader of Canada... I really don't know what the motive is outside of some schoolyard bullying. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that if there is any hope for any of us... it's going to come when there is a conscious effort to work together, and to minimize the hate in the world... the comments made by some skanc around here just fuel the hate fire... making it more of a problem than a solution. And Schwa, if you don't think it's important... then I don't even know where to begin. Have fun laughing with your gang about someone who's a little sick and tired of seeing all this hate being thrown around like Canada was some horrible place to live. Fucking entitlement. I don't hold much hope of convincing the bully's in this thread that they should feel shame for what they said, and the connections they have put forth... but it is clear it is wrong. It is clear it is disgusting... and if you want to ever change the minds of those that don't agree with you... this is probably the worst possible method (the bully) to appeal to them. Kevs tactics crossed the line, and criticizing me, and my honest reaction to it does nothing to change that this argument you all seem to support is grounded in little more that hate... which does not impress well. And the only doctorine grounded in hate that can gain power is one of fear... and you hippies are usually to passive to ever gain any real power. Must be frustrating... and explains alot of why the comments come as they do. You all probably think I'm a card carrying member of the CPC or something. Truth be told, I've never voted for the guy (but voted, yes)... and no, I don't think he's the bee's knees as a person. But with the alternatives available, it does not surprise me in the slightest that he's been chosen as the best choice out of what was available. I'd love to see a viable competitor... but if these are the ideas coming from the grass roots of the opposition... then it's going to be a long time before a non-fear based alternative will present itself. The majority of Canadians are better than that... and I still hold that as a truth. So... I heard there was an assassination attempt on Obama. Fucking sad isn't it? edit: Sorry, Schwa, you deleted your comment after I read it. Thank you.

Sure interesting story... but... lets equate Canada's Prime Minister with a sniper holding Neo-Nazi?! And no, I'm not defending it/him or anything... I just thought it was a completely out of place comment... waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic, and totally juvenile. You want Harper out of office? Come up with an alternative... if this is your alternative. No wonder he is where he is.

You can get Hecht if you want... unfortunately for the rest of the pool, I got Travis Zajac for a song.

Disgusting. Resume your hate parade hippies.