Deeps

Ditto.

This video has pretty much ruined my day and should be disclaimed off the top that it contains violence towards animals...smarten the fuck up before you post stuff like this.

"Disclaimed" is used in the wrong context here altogether (should have said Warning), and the smarten the F* up is not respectful.

Either way this video affected me. I think mostly because I could relate to the victims in it and obviously animal stuff or kid stuff is always particularly difficult.

Trying to sort out why there is a camera behind the SWAT team and how this footage became publicly available.

If it's real it's probably best we know this happened and for that matter guys on SWAT team to know that this aggression on the whole is unnecessary and a horrible response to anything illegal or not.

Back on the Warning! front, I think it only needs to be at the top above the video - maybe underlined. The issue is worthy of discussion and all should not be deterred.

Sorry again about my initial response.

Peace

Steve

Thanks for stating the warning ... sorry 'bout swearing, but that seriously screwed my head up...I presumed the violence was in the SWAT take down aspect of all of it. The reality of it ... I was not prepared for.

I am still not really sure what I'm to learn from any of this, or what debate it's supposed to provoke that isn't already hashed out a bunch of times with no answers coming forth, but I guess it's something that is something.

Anyway.

This video has pretty much ruined my day and should be disclaimed off the top that it contains violence towards animals...smarten the fuck up before you post stuff like this.

Looks worth the $99.00 as far as I see.

The Acorn

Matt Anderson

The Beauties

Brasstronaut

Basia Bulat

Calexico

The Canned Goods

Jason Collett

Digging Roots

Carlos Del Juno

Stephen Fearing

Flash Lightnin'

Frazey Ford

Good Lovelies

Gord Downie And The Country Of Miracles

Sarah Harmer

The Hidden Cameras

The Horse Feathers

Japandroids

Lee Harvey Osmond

Los Lobos

Corb Lund

Harry Manx

Minotaurs

Finley Quaye

Shad

The Skeletones Four

Tannis Slimmon

Stars

The Warped 45s

The Wooden Sky

Young Rival

Yukon Blonde

Zeus

I am thankful to be on this bill. We (The Ragged Bankers) are working pretty hard and hope some of you can come out and support this bill.

There is a new tune "Goin Without" posted on the myspace page if you get a chance to listen to it well ... that would be awfully nice of you.

Conveniently placed link.

Cheers

Steven

That stuff is difficult to watch.

The paranoia is so rampant.

They should all be taken on field trips to Canada and see that no one is in dire straights due to government programs.

$144.75 for a single in the pavilion? :thumbdown:

Something without a poo reference?

FWIW I like the tunes a lot.

Old Man Joe?

Happy Birthday Eric. Why not have everyone over for a party and we could use your open concept washroom?

New Baudelaires Tracks up here if you're interested.

Really enjoying this album. Have a good show.

We danced to - "In My Life" covered by Jose Feliciano I copied it from vinyl to MP3 so it was cracking and popping..

I think I am cool.

Steve

PS Seriously though it was a nice song...good tempo good length.

Voted.

With all due respect can I vote that this band name change.

It is off-putting I'm sorry.

(Aye)^100

Just when you thought the denial and idiocy couldn't run deeper ..........

Blame the gays for it.

Vatican slammed for blaming gay priests in pedophile scandal

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SANTIAGO (AFP) - The child sex abuse scandal scorching the Catholic Church worsened Tuesday with lawmakers, doctors and gay activists slamming an attempt by the Vatican to shift the blame for the pedophilia to homosexual priests.

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Comments by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican's secretary of state, during a visit to Chile on Monday triggered the indignation by saying homosexuality, not celibacy among the clergy, was at fault.

"Many psychologists, many psychiatrists have demonstrated there exists no relationship between celibacy and pedophilia," Bertone told a Santiago news conference.

"But many others have demonstrated, and have told me recently, that there is a link between homosexuality and pedophilia. This is true, this is the problem," he said.

The comments immediately threw fuel on the scandal that is threatening to engulf Pope Benedict XVI, by prompting outrage Tuesday in Chile and in Italy.

"I would like to see the scientific studies he said he has, because I don't share this evaluation... I have the impression that he is wrong on this point," said a Chilean senator who helped draft anti-pedophile laws, Patricio Walker.

"This linking is wrong. Celibacy does more damage to a human being than homosexuality, which is a freely made choice," a communist deputy, Hugo Gutierrez, told AFP. "I'm shocked by these words from a senior dignitary of the Church."

A medical specialist at the University of Chile, Tamara Galleguillos, added that "it's not possible to think there's a direct link between homosexuality and pedophilia."

She explained that her work in Chile's forensic service showed homosexual pedophiles were no more likely to commit their crimes than heterosexual pedophiles.

Rolando Jimenez, head of Chile's Movement for Homosexual Integration and Liberation, called on Bertone "to show us any scientific, rigorous, serious and religiously independent study that supports this allegation."

In Rome, the head of Italian gay rights group Gaylib, Enrico Oliari, called it "worrying that the foreign minister of a state that occupies the heart of the Italian capital would use arguments that are considered passe even in the Third World."

Aurelio Mancuso, former president of a larger Italian gay rights association Arcigay, said: "The truth is that Bertone is clumsily trying to shift attention to homosexuality and away from the focus on new crimes against children that emerge every day."

A center-left Italian lawmaker, Anna Paola Concia, demanded the cardinal "immediately retract his violent, inhuman and extremely serious words."

She accused Bertone of peddling in "false and damaging theories rejected by the World Health Organisation and that are not shared by most Catholics."

Bertone's controversial statement came as the Vatican tried to step up its damage control on the scandal.

The leadership of the Catholic Church has repeatedly tried to dismiss as media exaggerations the tide of recent claims in Austria, Germany, Ireland and the United States that predator priests were given protection from prosecution by their hierarchy.

Pope Benedict himself has faced allegations that he failed to take action against pedophile priests, both as head of the Vatican's top doctrinal and morals enforcer and earlier as the Munich archbishop.

The Holy See this week used its mouthpiece newspaper to praise its handling of past pedophile cases as "exemplary," and on Monday it posted guidelines on handling new cases on its official website.

Happy Birthday Carrie :chug:

Bumple-stiltskin.

We (tungsten gruvsten) will be recording this show in the hopes that it will turn into a Baudelaires live EP.

Hope to see some of the Skancs out!

I took Music in Popular culture @ Guelph --- I suspect you did too. I bet Matt Vander Woude would make his notes available and likely even let you guys attend his class occasionally.

I found his class thorough and something which I draw on frequently when making musical connections.

Nice to see some people out and to get a sense of how this stuff is goes over when you play it for the no bullshit informed crowd that Hamilton tends to be.

Well it worked out pretty well.

Some recordings that reflect the band as it is now will emerge in due time.

So does Todd...then he points at his guitar and Col-lab-boh-wation?

Wow - the above video is really interesting.

My feelings on this situation are extremely difficult to well ... feel.

You have essentially 1000s of people in this neighbourhood that are demanding housing, but who would rent to them? What's the incentive?

I have researched residential schools and the continuing fallout that besets the poor people who were victimized by them, and how they have migrated to the Dowtown East Side. It's difficult to hear about and watch and troubling that the people who were responsible haven't been brought to justice; I truly hope that they see justice for this in our lifetime. Though the reality is that the damage is done and pretty irreversible.

The here and now of it all is that you have real people who in real practical ways are some of the worst tenants on the continent and create unsafe and unsavoury environments for anybody else. What right does anyone have when they can't live by even the lowest standards as it is. Would building them more housing make things better or would you simply have more places that are living nightmares and in ruins? What is the incentive to build this housing?

The woman citing the death of 12 people in the last year due to homelessness is for me a little too emphatic/aghast. If you were living in an a pack and not living in a way that was conducive to your pack surviving you would be marginalized, eventually walk alone and likely not survive much longer: is this not just how it works? - though as I've outlined above the circumstances that have these folks arrive on the streets aren't necessarily there own doing and continue to be quite tragic.

Like I said my feelings are hard to feel and by no means concrete - I say these things in the hope that someone with a different perspective may be able to show me how simply providing housing is going to fix anything, and why it is a Right?

If this debate needs to continue maybe it's not in this thread.

An aside:

I also wonder how much the games stimulated the economy ... restaurants nation wide rammed for the final hockey game etc. and if that has an impact on those saying the money should not have been put toward it because on ly the rich were benefactors....my local pub owner had a hell of a Sunday! ... I'm rambling.

Apparently a music-less myspace I had set aside for when the time was just right (AKA we were prepared and didn't just have shoddy recordings) was searched for and posted as part of this bill.

So for shoddy enjoyment I scrambled and put 2 tunes up and a brief description here.

Hamilton promoters are just too good to keep things under wraps from....impressive.

That prog-rocking-jammer was I.

I used to play a bass while jumping on a wah-pedal through giant speakers and spoke intermittently through long instrumental indulgences with what the thunder said. This for me - made complete sense and allowed me to meet a lot of people I now call friends.

Well ... now I play organ, piano, rhodes and acoustic guitar and have moved to the less obscure Rootsy Country Rocky genre - returning me to what I was doing in a country band when I was 17 years old and on the stage with my Dad.

If you'd like to see me and my new friends kick at this can we The Ragged Bankers will be opening for The United Steel Workers of Montreal @ This Aint Hollywood in Hamilton on Thursday March 4th.

We will go on around 10:15.

Cover is $10.00.

Eventually audio samples will be available, but for now the songs will get their legs on the stage before being put to tape and you'll just have to make out to a show.

Cheers. :chug:

There is an opener....name slipping mind...late add.

I figure we'll go on around 10:30sh.