Esau.

Pineapple on pizza. I love pineapple and pizza separately. Together, not so much.

Same goes for maple flavouring on meats (ham, bacon, sausage etc). I love maple syrup, and meats. Just not together.

Yams, sweet potatoes, turnip, beets. No thanks.

Good times..

Re: smoking.

As a smoker, I'm not opposed to a ban, but I'd much rather see a segregated area set out, although I'm sure that has it's issues as well. As it is I usually go off to the outskirts at these type of things when having a cigarette anyway.

Re: navigating in the dark

Small pen lights are invaluable for getting around at fests (even some indoor shows) for me now-a-days as I've discovered in recent years, my eye sight isn't what it used to be, especially after a dozen or so beers.

I'd love PJ too but not sure if it'll happen as they've stated that the London show is their only Canadian show of the year. Of course there are many easy ways to go back on that statement with little harm. But they still said that.

Dang. I hadn't heard that.

Perhaps the new album they'll be working on this summer explains the lack of tour dates.

I'm guessing (hoping perhaps) on Pearl Jam making an appearance. An outdoor PJ show would be more then enough to make me want to attend.

According to friend in Austin who works for a company that mainly deals with the booking of country music festivals, she saw info on a 'non country music' festival in Canada that Taylor Swift was going to play. Although she was really vague about location - "Canada" was all she mentioned. After scanning over the twitter feed for Ottawa Blues Fest I see they did confirm a "major country music headliner" in early December.

The Sandwitches - How To Make Ambient Sadcake.

I wonder if the grandstand will even come into play for this show.

Don't really know to be honest. I asked a friend who lives pretty much next door to the place or "two city blocks", as he put it, about the capacity and he emailed this Link and suggested the event could be inside the racetrack, center or at one end of it, so capacity could be double or more. He was only guessing though, from past events.

Grandstand seats 3000, how much more is added for the show I don't know.

http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/extras/bruins_blog/2013/02/tim_thomas_trad.html

The Bruins have traded two-time Vezina Trophy winner Tim Thomas to the New York Islanders, the team confirmed Thursday.

According to the team, the Bruins will receive a conditional second-round draft pick in 2014 or 2015. Thomas told the Bruins last summer that he did not intend to play this season, and it's not known now if he has changed his mind or if the Islanders have acquired him in hopes of his coming out of semi-retirement.

Thomas, 38, told Boston general manager Peter Chiarelli last summer, upon making his decision, that he hoped to return to hockey after this season, with an eye on possibly playing again for Team USA in the 2014 Olympics in Sochi, Russia.

Thomas, who carries a $5 million salary cap hit, would have been paid a pro-rated $3 million if he had played this season. However, his pro-rated $5 million cap hit has counted against the Bruins' salary cap this season. His trade to the Islanders now would remove that number from the Boston payroll.

Thomas played in 378 regular-season games for the Bruins and led them to the Stanley Cup championship in 2011. He had a 196-121-45 record in the regular season and was 29-21 in the postseason.

Haha, nice.

For the record, I have no ill feelings toward Canada Post here - I only find this to be an interesting and strange copyright case.

i can see canada post's point here. they are not just a random assortment of characters. they denote a very specific code that canada post developed.

As I've discovered postal codes were used in the 6 digit format, by the U.K & Dutch previous to Canada (Post) using them, which works the same way (specific letters and numbers denoting specific areas, address blocks etc). So, they were not developed by Canada Post. Canada Post used the idea to create their database of codes. I guess you could say they developed their database, to which I would agree.

I can understand their claim if their database was used (which is how CP leases it to those who pay, along with much more precise data) to create Geolytica's website database and service but according to Geolytica they crowd sourced this information which isn't the same, nor anywhere near as accurate, as I discovered and mentioned above. With the right software, or even the knowledge to where to research anyone could table the majority of the 850,000 postal in use currently the same way, though it would also not be as accurate as CP's database, and would certainly be a shit ton more work to do so, but it can be done, albeit very time consuming I imagine.

Telephone numbers are not just random numbers either, yet their directories are not able to be copyrighted, nor are phone books as was the ruling of the courts here years ago.

This could be extended to maps/map books etc. You could research already existing maps, globes or books yourself to create your own map, but you couldn't just reproduce a map/book that was already created, without proper permissions.

This just isn't true. I worked with postal codes a lot a few years ago and this info was available on the Canada Post website if you knew where to look.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what your saying NW, it is true. As many media outlets, including Canada Post, have recently announced. They did release that information through Statistic Canada's website, whereas previous it was only available via the CP website - and as you mentioned, only if you knew where to look. Although Canada Post hasn't acknowledged the information was available publicly via their website (that I could find), it has however made claim such information was available via their website to those companies that paid for it.

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Here's a quote from Statistics Canada.

“Users are required to post the following notice whenever content of FSA boundary file at the FSA level is published: ‘This data includes information copied with permission from Canada Post Corporation’,†wrote Jenny Cole, at Statistics Canada.

So, as mentioned above the information being made "public" here is with permission and copied directly from Canada Post's directory, not crowd source open data as collected by Geolytica.

If postal codes are subject to copyright, aren't street names (and other place names) also? Do I need a license agreement to use my address in correspondance or to do business?

I asked myself the same thing after learning of this case yesterday. I suspect the answer is no, since Canada Post I believe assume ownership of the correspondence until it is received at it's destination or returned to it's origination, and since all postal alternatives (UPS/FEDEx/CANPAR etc) pay Canada Post for allowance of their operations within Canada they are technically covered as well. Of course I could be wrong about that stuff, but I swear I read something along those lines somewhere while searching for post alternatives around the last time Canada Post were talking strike.

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Apparently from further searching I found this case has been going on well over a year or so.

It occurred to me that Canada Post wouldn't be able to do their job efficiently (very well or at all perhaps) without postal codes. This I could see as an argument for 'intellectual property' claims, as it must cost money to set up and maintain the CPC database (which I suppose could be copyright). On the other hand, they are a Crown corp. originally paid for by the Canadian public and as such the data should be available/accessible to all Canadian's free (for non-profit use of course), in other words - public domain.

Yet again, the idea of postal codes wasn't a new one when Canada Post started using them either, the U.K had been using them before we were. So really it was just the idea that they used.

I stumbled across an article discussing a case that was before the courts years ago where the publishers of telephone books tried to sue other publishers and creators of different telephone number directories and in the end, they lost because telephone numbers were deemed identifiers (or facts), not expressions of ideas. In my opinion, that is where postal codes fit as well.

To be honest, after checking Geolytica's website I really don't understand why Canada Post is wasting their time, and/or their (our?) money fighting this. The website isn't the most user friendly and it showed my postal code to be a half block or so off of where the actual address block is.

i think google has all that data somehow and it's all accessible through their api's.

here's an example: http://ctrlq.org/maps/address/

They do, but are google one of those companies that pay $5,500 a year for "more detailed postal code data" that is mentioned in the article? At first glance it would appear they do.

This is the first I've heard of this one, and I must admit I don't completely understand how a postal code could be considered 'intellectual property' able to be copyrighted. Personally, it seems to me that Canada Post's is just concerned about losing the income they get from leasing this information, at least from my limited knowledge on it anyway. Still, it's a strange case in my opinion.

Scans of Canada Post cease-and-desist letter to Geolytica at link below.

Canada Post copyright lawsuit still going ahead, bucking trend from rest of government

The copyright battle being waged by Canada Post over how postal code data is being used by a small website is still going forward, even as the rest of the government is moving toward a more open model of data availability.

The crown corporation is suing Geolytica, which operates Geocoder.ca. That website, they argue, is infringing on Canada Post copyright by making postal code data available to anyone who visits their site.

Geolytica has argued since 2011, back when the proceedings began, that postal codes cannot be copyrighted because they are facts. Just as you cannot copyright the chemical formula of water — H2O — you cannot copyright a postal code attached to an address.

Canada Post disagrees. In fact, in their reply to Geolytica’s statement of defense in April 2012, Canada Post said explicitly: “Canada Post further denies that Postal Codes are facts.â€

And that’s the core of this lawsuit: Is data created by government agencies a fact or intellectual property subject to copyright?

David Eaves, an open data activist and writer, believes that the question about facts as intellectual property could have interesting and far-reaching implications.

“It is an effort to further define what a fact is,†he said. “Does it damage the open data movement writ-large? No. Only if the courts were to say any fact created by government is now [intellectual property].â€

The latest twist, though, comes from Statistics Canada. The national data collector published a significant portion of the postal code database on Feb. 5 on their website, free for anyone to download.

The “Forward Sortation Area†data set, now available to the general public, is the geographic boundaries of the first three letters of every postal code in the country. It defines what M4W means and is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to businesses and analysts who work with postal code data

But even as that data is being made public, an additional note is being added to it to ensure Canada Post’s copyright claim is observed.

“Users are required to post the following notice whenever content of FSA boundary file at the FSA level is published: ‘©This data includes information copied with permission from Canada Post Corporation’,†wrote Jenny Cole, at Statistics Canada.

Essentially what Canada Post is doing is taking a different tactic on data than any other arm of government: They’re saying they own the copyright on data and it is not, as other outlets treat it, facts.

“Most governments choose to license their data and information. They’re not using copyright to do it.†Eaves said. †Canada Post is actually trying to use copyright.â€

That gives Canada Post enormous amounts of control over how much data is made available, and how much must be purchased. Canada Post charges companies up to $5,500 per year to use more detailed postal code data. According to their statement of claim against Geolytica, that’s revenue they’re frightened to lose.

According to Ervin Ruci, one of the founders of Geolytica, that fear is pushing Canada Post in the wrong direction.

“They can not go on claiming copyright on facts people use on a daily basis,†Ruci said. “I certainly do hope and wish they go the way of opening more of their data to the public.â€

David Fewer, who is representing Geolytica in the proceedings, says that while it’s admirable that Canada Post is making the data available, the copyright issue must also be resolved.

“Any release of data by a public institution ought to be applauded, in principle, as a step in the right direction,†Fewer said. “Note, however, that Canada Post is not to our knowledge dropping its claims to copyright in postal code data, and has given us no indication that it plans to withdraw its suit against our client. Nor does Canada Post’s actions in any way change our client’s position that the suit is baseless.â€

The vast majority of government data is licensed according to the Statistics Canada Open Licence Agreement. That license makes data available to researchers, journalists and members of the general public to use and publish as they see fit. It does not make them subject to copyright.

Eaves thinks that, right now, this is just an example of one organization making poor decisions. But that they are allowed to make those decisions in the context of the rest of the government’s open data plans is concerning.

“You have one organization that doesn’t get it that is trying to do something different. But it doesn’t impede the right of other organizations to make better choices,†he said.

What's a leaf fan do after they win the Stanley Cup?

Turn off his xbox and go to bed.

My friend lives within walking distance of the fair grounds, you can actually hear some of the events going there from his backyard. Guess I'll be there for OCMS & M&S at least.

After last night's debauchery I've amended my beer selection in my above post. Sadly, there will be no moose meat chili now either.

I don't drink fancy though- Budweiser and 40 Creek Whiskey will suffice.

The only thing fancy in the booze selections made above (Ollie's or mine) compared to your's is, where water is on the ingredient list.

Just got back from two days of ice fishing on Lake Simcoe, so we'll being cooking a huge mess of perch. We've also got some caribou (fall hunt) loins and sausages to BBQ and probably some moose meat chili if our friend Glenn makes it down from North Bay.

As for booze, I've got 6 Russian Guns, 6 Mad Tom's and a dozen Hops & Robbers - we've also got a 26oz of Booker's we'll be breaking into. Not to mention fresh batch of diesel x sage.

That 97 Bluesfest was truly a classic. A few other greats played that as well but Luther Allison's performance is firmly etched in my mind. And Bluesfest was soooooo laid back then, I remember bringing in milk crates with Weirdness and running his taping rig in them and no one gave a crap.

Agreed. I still have a shirt from that show some where (can't find it though). Here's the list of performers from the back of the shirt though, that I found in a post on here from 2004 .

Little Feat

Luther Allison

Dr.John

James Cotton

Roomful of Blues

Montreal Jubilation Gospel Choir

Little Georgi & the Shuffling Hungarians

Lucky Peterson

Junior Wells

Suzie Vinnick

Deborah Coleman

Jumpin' Johnny Sansone

Long John Hunter

Tony D

Guitar Shorty

Rocket Rached & The Fat City 8

Anson Funderburgh & The Rockets feat: Sam Myers

Sherman Robertson

There was more but these were the bigger names.

For those that don't know, you should expect BB to play MAYBE half the time he will be listed on the schedule. His band will "warm up" the crowd for a while. At least that has been the case the few times I have seen him headline.

Esau I was at that Forum show! I was a young noob and my old man walked me over from the marina to school me.

Right on, that was a great little fest, and venue for that matter.

As mentioned by AD, good point about his play time now-a-days. Last I saw him, it was a one or two song opening (like a lot of older blues musicians do) of his band only. It doesn't surprise me given his age and health that it would be longer now. Still worth seeing live if you haven't yet though.

Since when does Bluesfest have the blues?

Last one I attended that pretty much all blues was 2001. Favourite remains 1997 though. Little Feat and Dr. John headlined but the big draw for me was Luther Allison, who passed away about 2 weeks later. Pretty sure that was one of his last shows and his last Canadian show.

BB is not the healthiest guy; nearly blind and can't stand for long plus he has diabetes. I've seen him twice and he puts on a good show. His voice is powerful as ever and his chops are still pretty fierce. He developed his tone trying to emulate slide guitar, especially Earl Hooker. Bouche wouldn't like him either.

Agreed. I've been seeing B.B live since the early nineties, when he had the blues fest at the revolving stage at Ontario Place (Little Feat, BB King, Pinetop Perkins etc) and probably every LuLu's show after that until it closed or he stopped playing there. Admittedly, I haven't seen him live in five or more years, so I cannot comment on his performances now-a-days. But, folks I know who have, have had nothing but positive reviews.

The man is simply a legend in blues music and a treasure to music in general in my opinion. His shows are always top notch, he is a pure entertainer, musicianship, story telling and making people smile, his shows have been some of the funnest I've ever attended. Worth seeing live if you haven't.

As for comparing him against Prince, meh - apples and oranges. I could easily say the same about John Mclaughlin and how he would leave Prince standing agape, but again, apples and oranges.

Finally I'll get to see him. Where'd you see that info?

https://www.facebook.com/ottawabluesfest

It reminds me of early eighties prince.

Why? Is he suing a fan?