greasyfizeek

I ordered the album from itunes for 13.99, plus 4 music videos. First time I've ever done that. So far after a couple of listens I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, it's a good album. I do think it is quite similiar to Love and Theft, and is a companion piece, though perhaps less rockabilly. I am, however, intrigued by the fact that my expectations, for the first time, were met. I come to expect from Bob the unexpected, but this time from all the pre-album chatter, the album was going to be similiar to the last one. This album is the first time I've ever gone in thinking one thing, and getting it. And not in a good way. I guess in old age you settle down a bit, feel your style. Expecially after all the media surrounding Bob these days, he went into a zone where he feels comfortable right now. Anyway, I'm still looking forward to Chronicles II more than anything.

2 cents from greasy...

Though I'm sure this may not broker the argument, I will weigh in and try to provide some balance since I know neither Zero or GS.

GS - I do think it's inappropriate to ruin your fun time. You are right in identifying that there is a time and a place for a higher degree of debaucherous and outlandish bevaviour. Hillside is certainly NOT one of those places. But I think this guy Zero gets off somewhat on being the "different" guy, or the most fucked up (shrooms, toy gun, jumping on stage) in a setting like Hillside where that is unexpected. If everyone was going nuts, Zero's identity might be lost in the shuffle. Drugs came into play, and only he knows how aware he was of his actions. Is he doing this to tell a "story?" To be the "character" in his own story? I think to a certain degree yes. His willingness to challenge social mores come out in this role of crazy-dancing, drug-taking, boozing music-writer guy.

He likes "knowing" or being "acquaintances" (I use both terms loosely) with musicians he admires, the part he plays in their shows, and being a part of the local scene in his own way. His taste is pretty good, and he seeks out new music before others. His quest to inspire the apathetic concert-goer and the "vibe" of a show is admirable. If we all stepped it up a notch, particularly in the indie-rock scene, Toronto would be less Toronto and more New York. But obviously Zero takes this way too far, and causes far more distress and angst amongst the masses than he can control.

It's shitty either way. I empathize with you being pissed, and I feel for this dude who keeps trying to take a more active role in the live show setting, but in the end gets arrested. Seems this was a question of context, time and place, and all of us weighing in don't really know what happened except what has been written so far.

I'm with the other folk - ignore it the best you can. This may be one of things you can't necessarily change, but a situation you can adapt to with discussions like this.

yeah, this isnt cool at all, hijack or no hijack. i unsubscribed immediately.

Awesome. You have easily identified yourself as the last douchebag on earth I ever want to meet. Some self-aggrandized pseudo-promoter calling his party the "privacy" party is just about the most classic term I've ever heard someone call their own party.

Wow, guestlist for the "secret" Trey/Mike show in Toronto. And no cover? You must have shelled out a whole lot of your unearned cash for this event. And you've been doing this for 7 years? Hahahahahaha. You've been hanging on the coattails of a coked out sleazebag for that long?

Here's a reality check. In the world of guestlists, secret gigs, and hanging with celebs, last night was the lowest on the rung.

Dave Matthews is playing this summer. I hear he likes privacy parties.

this entire post/opinion may be reflective of ottawa specifically.

This is not meant in a derogatory fashion.

But most "jam" shows these days...well...suck. And indie-rock fans, those "toronto hipsters" have never been dancers, though i disagree with dimafleck. i think their vision for new, exciting music is great. jam music unfortunately, for me, is lacking both. So my theory is that changing music tastes, the demise of the jam scene, and particularly the demise of of a drug-induced NE Disco BIscuits-esque scene, is on the decline. hence a change in taste, attitude, and overall "vibe" when going out to shows. that said, all the power to the bands you all love. not to detract from good times. but the question was posed, and i answered.

just my 2 cents.

greasy

Just wanted to clarify some information. This year you are ALLOWED to bring food. Sealed water bottles as well. I think a small, soft cooler is also allowed, but check out the link below.

http://stillepost.ca/boards/index.php?topic=45908.0

You can also check out the broken telephone forum on www.arts-crafts.ca for any other up to date information regarding set times and ferry times. i think ferries run every 1/2 hr from bay/queens quay. if you take the subway, you can transfer onto a streetcar that takes you closer to the ferry, but it's quite crowded. also, prepare for a wait, as it's the dragon boat festival this weekend as well.

I'm very last minute for this, so if you know anyone with an extra ticket, please send me a PM.

greasy

hey basher, what site do you play on? i play on poker pages, but havent really ventured into real money, save for a few bucks i won because of winning several free tournaments.

congrats!

greasy

I'm so done with Phish. It will take me at least 5 more years to get nostalgic about wanting to see them again.

I've followed this pretty closely on stillepost, as I went to several CMW events.

Clearly two things happened in my opinion.

1. CMW and Social had conversations Friday morning about cancelling Saturday night at the Social, but the bands were not informed by CMW until late Saturday afternoon. That is really disorganized, and the responsibility of CMW to take care of their own showcase.

2. The Social cannot have it both ways. They want to be "indie" and support the local arts scene during the week with film fundraisers and book launches and spagetti-oke, not have a sign with their name, and have 3.50 pints of 50, but then they want a shitty 905 crowd to infiltrate the bar on fri-sat night to make money. Clearly they are trying to do two things at once, and it finally backfired. I've always maintained since the beginning the Social was a sell-out, despite strong arguments from several of my friends indicating the guys who own Social and Spin gallery are upstanding guys, so this adds fuel to the fire. I've seen cool music events there, and then wanted to slit my wrists on a saturday night.

I did see a few good acts: meligrove band at lee's palace, and wintersleep at horseshoe. and some crazy-ass aussie dj "endorphin" late night at the drake, replete with disney visuals, a lebowski-landlord-esque flesh coloured dancer, and mid 80s euro-trash beats. truly hilarious.

But CMW is clearly an industry-oriented event. I do disagree about NMW, which I have attended with "laminates" the last 2 years, and by no means am I "industry." I'm just a scribe. I think they have maintained a strong balance between industry, bands, and fans, and it hasn't morphed into the colussus mistake CMW seems to be. So I disagree with the above poster.

2 cents from greasy.

Great post. TimmyB, you are really tappiing into my psyche these days. Amazing how music really is a signpost for our lives.

I've been to Strawberry Fields in Central Park several times, but easily the most memorable was the first time, a blustery late February day in 1998, my first time in New York City. My best friend was the biggest Beatles fan growing up, and this was hallowed ground for him. Meeting the eccentric, devoted Lennonites that spent time at the memorial day, in day out was incredible. I have some amazing pictures.

That day we walked 100 blocks to find the Seinfeld restaurant, see Strawberry Fields in Central Park, stand outside of Radio City Music Hall for the Grammy's with a bunch of screaming Hanson fans, see Rent for 10 bucks on Broadway, and hop the last train to Philly from Grand Central Station.

A manic, beautiful day.

RIP John.

greasy

We must all be the same age and got into phish around the same time....

12/6/97 was my 3rd show (cleveland and auburn hills in 96).

The 2nd set is by far one of the best this band ever played, and as we all know the band started downhill after 97.

good memory. thanks for bringing it up.

i think i drove back to london with a guy named crappy. and i believe i got a jurassic cheeseburger at mcdonalds after the show.

greasy

The classic cover up from a guy who doesn't want anyone to know he still cherishes his DMB cd's.

"my wife desperately want tickets to Dave for Christmas...."

Have fun listening to 17 yr old pimpleheaded boys shout "Play the Christmas Song!" over and over....

I can't say enough about how much I love Kathleen Edwards. Truly one of our country's best songwriters. The last show at the mod club was great. She plays in Toronto the night before the hamilton show.

greasy

a healthy, happy, hebraic new year to all.

enjoy your tapuach ve d'vash.

greasyfizeek

this is wicked news guys, thanks for posting. 9 PM, channel 61 tonight! 1st part tonight, 2nd part tomorrow night.

bobby z rules. i just finishes "chronicles" and it is finally so refreshing to get Bob's POV for a change. great writer too.

greasy

Thanks guys. Anyone pick up the soundtrack? Where's it being sold in Toronto? I also heard very good things.

greasy

Anyone know if we can get this doc up in Canada? What's our PBS affiliate? This documentary received rave reviews at TIFF this year.

greasy

A Russian Spy.

A Spice Trader.

Trey's dad.

greasy

There are a lot of grammar rules broken all the time. Periods/commas is just the most common. I don't plan on being the grammar police on this board, nor do I purport to follow every single rule. But from now on, I will capitalize my sentences and proper nouns.

P.S. Go see Themasses Tuesday Sept 6th in Toronto.

from one adam to another...yes, you're right. but on the internet, particularly in a forum setting, a little leeway i think.

emails, the net, msn, have all changed the way we write. i think not capitalizing is more so related to typing speed, rather than grammatical rules.

greasy

"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero!"

-Walter Sobcak

good link davey boy. the debate rages on. as for me, we live in north america, NOT britain, and if you read fiction, non-fiction, newspapers and magazines on our continent, commas/periods go inside the quotation marks. there are different rules for exclamation marks, question marks, colons and semi-colons, and those rules apply to sentence structure and meaning.

the point is there ARE rules in written language, and it's not just about getting the point across. that's what verbal language is for.

in case you were wondering, i am a writer, editor, publishing student at ryerson, and supreme dorkwad.

greasy

It's true in the UK that grammar follows different rules, on a multitude of levels. Canada is sort of an amalgam of several different styles.

cyberhippie, this does not mean that the canadian grammar gods allow you to break the rules simple out of preference.

"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a shit about the rules? Mark it zero!"

-Walter Sobcak

nice detective work there palace princess....

Here's an example of the wrong way to use punctuation.

I went to the store today and ran into "Trey", but it wasn't him, more like an impostor "formerly known as Trey".

Correct answer:

I went to the store today and ran into "Trey," but it wasn't him, more like an impostor "formerly known as Trey."

Hilarious film. Saw it yesterday as well. Seth Rogen (from Vancouver) is a scene-stealer, and I know he was also involved in the writing process.

"How do I know you're gay....you listen to Coldplay."