Velvet Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Not in Ottawa yet, but this is awesome. The guy is workin' it, that's for sure. http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/fahrenheit911/free/index.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 c'mon hamilton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonberry Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 I gotta say... while I didn't find Fahrenheit 9/11 to be a particularly genius piece of documentary, Michael Moore is probably one of the most dedicated filmmakers I've seen ever. Like he's really, really trying to push his film on people (for good or for ill), and, I really think it's incredible to see an artist be so forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 That is fantastic. Whatever it takes to de-Bush the White House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple foot Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Didn't he want to get this shown on T.V even though that would disqualify the film for the oscars? I think moore's take was, I don't need any more awards, getting bush out of office is reward enough. solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 He was trying to do that. He was having trouble finding the right network. No idea whether he'll be making that happen or not. (And ya, you're right, it would automatically disqualify him from the Oscars, if he did.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Posted October 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 It was shown on some PBS channels last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 if you don't want to wait for the theaters here's a bittorrent link for the movie in .avi format Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Posted October 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Uh, the theatres? Paisley, the movie came out in July, it's on video now. Stay calm, and step back from your computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 er, um, yeah!! free bittorrent none the less... don't even have to move your ass away from the computer to go pick up the free rental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 William Gibson dug up and posted this letter today on his blog... its written by conservative William S. Lind around the beginning of the Iraq war, found it an interesting read: It must be a singular sort of hell today, to be at once an American, a conservative in the non-mutant sense, and a seminal theorist of Fourth Generation warfare: 'Who am I? At present, I am a center director at the Free Congress Foundation. But in 1976 I began the debate over maneuver warfare that became a central part of the military reform movement of the 1970s and 1980s. The U.S. Marine Corps finally adopted maneuver warfare as doctrine in the late `80s (I wrote most of their new tactics manual). 'In 1989, I began the debate over Fourth Generation warfare — war waged by non-state entities — which is what paid us a visit on September 11, 2001. The article I co-authored then for the Marine Corps Gazette was formally cited last year by al Quaeda, who said, "This is our doctrine." My Maneuver Warfare Handbook, published in 1985, is now used by military academies all over the world, and I lecture internationally on military strategy, doctrine and tactics.''But how does the coming war with Iraq look at the moral level? Here, the U.S. seems to be leading with its chin. Why? Because the Administration in Washington has yet to come up with a convincing rationale for why the United States should attack Iraq. 'The argument that Iraq, a small, poor (it didn't used to be, but it is now), Third World country halfway around the world is a direct threat to the U.S.A. is not credible. Yes, Saddam probably has some chemical and biological weapons. But few tyrants are bent on suicide, and the notion that he would use them to attack the United States, except in self-defense, makes no sense. Nor does it seem likely he would give them to non-state actors like al Quaeda — again, except in self-defense — because non-state forces and Fourth Generation warfare are as much a threat to him as to us. 'It is of course true that Saddam is a tyrant (his model, by the way, is obviously Stalin, not Hitler). So what? Mesopotamia has been ruled by tyrants since before history began, and it will be ruled by tyrants long after North America is once again tribal territories. The last President who tried to export democracy on American bayonets was Woodrow Wilson. That's one of the reasons he counts as America's worst President, ever. Very few people, in America or the rest of the world, wish to see us revive the practice. 'Most importantly, the real threat we face is the Fourth Generation, non-state players such as al Quaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. They can only benefit from an American war against Iraq—regardless of how it turns out. If we win, the state is further discredited in the Islamic world, and more young men give their allegiance to non-state forces. If Saddam wins, their own governments look even less legitimate, because they failed to stand with him against the hated Crusaders. A recent cartoon showed Osama bin Laden, dressed as Uncle Sam, saying, "I want you to invade Iraq!" Undoubtedly, he does. 'So what is the real reason for this war? Oil? Revenge for Saddam surviving the first Gulf War? Israel? The ordinary Americans I know are wondering, because the reasons stated by the Administration don't add up. 'Military theory says that, in a democracy, a government cannot successfully wage war unless the war has popular support. In turn, a war cannot obtain popular support if the people do no understand why it is being fought. Today, the people, at home and overseas, do not understand why America wants to go to war with Iraq. That means the administration is losing this war before the first bomb is dropped.'William S. Lind, Director of the Center for Cultural Conservatism, posting the first of his "On War" commentaries, January 28, 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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