Kanada Kev Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2007/03/05/bill-graham-concert-archive-site-countersues-record-labelsBill Graham Concert Archive Site Countersues Record LabelsSubmitted by Mark Hefflinger on March 5, 2007 - 11:34am.New York - The owner of a website that streams vintage rock concerts and sells rock memorabilia collected by legendary concert promoter Bill Graham has filed a countersuit against the musicians and two major record labels who sued him for copyright infringement, according to The Hollywood Reporter.The Wofgang's Vault website, owned by Bill Sagan, was sued in December by a group of artists including the Grateful Dead, Santana and Led Zeppelin, and labels Sony BMG and Warner Music Group, who claim, among other things, that Sagan must seek artists' approval to broadcast the vintage recordings."Far from being about bootlegging, consumer confusion or infringement of any sort, this case is actually a blatant attempt by two of the largest record labels in the world -- using artists as a front -- to secure new income streams and destroy a legitimate business," Sagan's countersuit states.Sagan is asking a judge to affirm that he legally acquired Graham's archive, and is also suing for libel, fraudulent deceit, breach of contract, tortious interference and civil conspiracy, seeking unspecified damages.A trial date has not yet been set in the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Bob Weir just spilled his morning drink..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boiler Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 perhaps with all this suing going on some new precedants will be established. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted March 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 (edited) So did EWK (evil widow koons) Edited March 6, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradm Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Far from being about bootlegging, consumer confusion or infringement of any sort, this case is actually a blatant attempt by two of the largest record labels in the world -- using artists as a front -- to secure new income streams and destroy a legitimate business.When was the legitimacy of his business esablished? Did the performers that were recorded by Graham explicitly allow Graham to do the recording? If not, the recordings are bootlegs. If they did allow it, what rights did they give up?Aloha,Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Far from being about bootlegging' date=' consumer confusion or infringement of any sort, this case is actually a blatant attempt by two of the largest record labels in the world -- using artists as a front -- to secure new income streams and destroy a legitimate business.[/quote']When was the legitimacy of his business esablished? Did the performers that were recorded by Graham explicitly allow Graham to do the recording? If not, the recordings are bootlegs. If they did allow it, what rights did they give up?Aloha,BradWhat with all of the great drugs they were imbibing, do you think any of them will remember what they did or didn't give up forty years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradm Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Far from being about bootlegging' date=' consumer confusion or infringement of any sort, this case is actually a blatant attempt by two of the largest record labels in the world -- using artists as a front -- to secure new income streams and destroy a legitimate business.[/quote']When was the legitimacy of his business esablished? Did the performers that were recorded by Graham explicitly allow Graham to do the recording? If not, the recordings are bootlegs. If they did allow it, what rights did they give up?Aloha,BradWhat with all of the great drugs they were imbibing, do you think any of them will remember what they did or didn't give up forty years ago?No, I don't expect them to be able to remember (aside from the fact that some of the performers are dead), but I do expect Bill Sagan to be able to prove he has the rights to broadcast and make money from the recordings (e.g., by producing the original contacts for the performances where those rights were granted to Bill Graham). If he can do that, he has a legitimate business; if not, he's bootlegging.Aloha,Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hartamophone Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Far from being about bootlegging' date=' consumer confusion or infringement of any sort, this case is actually a blatant attempt by two of the largest record labels in the world -- using artists as a front -- to secure new income streams and destroy a legitimate business.[/quote']When was the legitimacy of his business esablished? Did the performers that were recorded by Graham explicitly allow Graham to do the recording? If not, the recordings are bootlegs. If they did allow it, what rights did they give up?Aloha,BradWhat with all of the great drugs they were imbibing, do you think any of them will remember what they did or didn't give up forty years ago?No, I don't expect them to be able to remember (aside from the fact that some of the performers are dead), but I do expect Bill Sagan to be able to prove he has the rights to broadcast and make money from the recordings (e.g., by producing the original contacts for the performances where those rights were granted to Bill Graham). If he can do that, he has a legitimate business; if not, he's bootlegging.Aloha,BradI think it's important to note that he's not making money explicitly from the recordings. They are being used to boost website traffic and, in turn, to try and boost sales of the memorabilia that's available, but it's not like he's selling downloads. I'm not saying I agree with what's being done (well, I agree with it as someone who enjoys streaming the shows, but that's beside the point), but thought that needed to be pointed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Low Roller Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 More importantly, how do we download from Wolfgang's Vault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localcrew Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 As Uncle Bobo often said, 'it's not the money, it's the money'..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Wish Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Use WireTapPro to record and then use Sound Forge or similar to track em.I have the Elton John, Cars, Dickey Betts, Zeppelin and Stones shows from that site!Sean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chameleon Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 (edited) Good for Wolfgang's vault! I hope they win.I can't see the issue, seeing as they are not selling the recordings. They are merely letting people listen.Where's the harm?! And if this is a problem why haven't they gone after Nugs.net and Sugarmegs.org?Smells like major label greediness.Also Wiretap pro looks like a great program....do they have something similar for mac? I need that.Thanx Edited March 7, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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