SmoothedShredder Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Hey,Been kickin' around this website for a while and was wondering if there were any philosophers here. Well, I know there are, but anyone up on the classic's? My 70's rockgod philosoper is Ludwig Wittgenstein... he came up with this diddy:For a large class of cases - though not for all - in which we employ the word ''meaning'' it can be defined thus: the meaning of a word is its use in the language. Ludwig Wittgenstein Alright, I know it's no Bohemian Rhapsody, but it really does help me cut through the rheotoric when people talk, and for me atleast, it's come in handy in living a good life... but here are some more:I sit astride life like a bad rider on a horse. I only owe it to the horse's good nature that I am not thrown off at this very moment. Ludwig Wittgenstein Death is not an event in life: we do not live to experience death. If we take eternity to mean not infinite temporal duration but timelessness, then eternal life belongs to those who live in the present.Ludwig WittgensteinA man will be imprisoned in a room with a door that's unlocked and opens inwards; as long as it does not occur to him to pull rather than push.Ludwig Wittgenstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_rawk Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 I change my minor fairly frequently - but I've been a philosophy student, if that counts.Wasn't aware of Wittgenstein. Seems like he's into language. Neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 I'm tapping my fingers waiting for Stone Mtn to respond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedShredder Posted July 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 He was a bit of a nut... really intense, watched movies from the front row so he could escape his mind for breif periods. Tough life, was German student in Britain with lots of British friends. Helped Germany as a nurse during the war, lets just assume he wasn't into Nationalism (oh let me with everyone happy Canada day at this moment ) got put in an Italian prison for the end of it where he wrote a really nutty book called the Tractatus Philosophicus... and continued to work with his British mates after the war. Taught children in Germany when he was young... inherited a fortune when his parents died and gave it all away. His teacher/buddy in England was Bertrand Russell, the Logical Atomist (if you want boring, and amazing at the same time read this dude!). He's the guy Einstein turned too to help write the Anti-nuclear weapon proliferation... er... something or other. So if he's good enough with language for Einstein, he's good enough for me... but don't get me wrong... There's so much good philosophy out there, fun for a brain work out. Here's a couple other Gems: Beware of all enterprises that require a new set of clothes. Henry David Thoreau Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau Courage is knowing what not to fear. Plato He was a wise man who invented beer. Plato Our greatest stupidities may be very wise. Ludwig Wittgenstein and my fave: Any time you think you have the game conquered, the game will turn around and punch you right in the nose. Mike Schmidt ~W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedShredder Posted July 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 A serious and good philosophical work could be written consisting entirely of jokes. Ludwig Wittgenstein At twenty a man is full of fight and hope. He wants to reform the world. When he is seventy he still wants to reform the world, but he know he can't. Rodney Dangerfield Men who do things without being told draw the most wages. Rodney Dangerfield When I was a kid my parents moved a lot, but I always found them. Rodney Dangerfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 I'm tapping my fingers waiting for Stone Mtn to respond...Me ain't so good with that thar book learnin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timouse Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 philosophers? joseph campbell."follow your bliss."or"you must put aside the life you planned in order to live the life that is waiting for you."in his later years, one of jc's grandkids took him to a dead show in california. he was so touched by what he saw that he gave a lecture at berleley and invited jerry and mickey. the lecture was about the importance of dionysian ritual and how much of archetypical spiritual behaviour and ritual he saw in a dead show experience. followers make a journey full of trials and adversity to get there, take a sacrament and bliss out and dance. he was very taken with the wole "non-mythology" around the band, and with the whole attitude of the freaks. he basically told the crowd that this was in a technical sense a truly new religion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedShredder Posted July 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 mmmmmmmm now that's what I was lookin' for... thx Mr. Mouse.~W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timouse Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 mmmmmmmm now that's what I was lookin' for... thx Mr. Mouse.~W squeak squeak! i expect that dr evil mouse would have been a better candidate to add to this thread, but he's busy in ottawa at "that place" and was unavaliable for comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 "Death is not an event in life: we do not live to experience death. If we take eternity to mean not infinite temporal duration but timelessness, then eternal life belongs to those who live in the present." Ludwig WittgensteinI wish I were more on my game to get back on this appropriately. Hungover, and drunk (thus, effectively, not hungover, though every part of my body apart but my neocortex keeps telling me otherwise). "Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle," and all that. Key points in those quotes, at any rate, near as I reckon, for any philosopher worth his/her salt to deal with. "There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya about the raising of the wrist/Socrates himself was permanently pissed...."Anyway, I love LW, and this quote was a new one on me - well found! This is a point I keep trying to nail home with my students in Religious Studies - that time and eternity, space and infinity, are categorically distinct, though not necessarily so (there's the mystical paradox that makes Religious Studies a discipline worth staying in). We die - what become of the grey matter of our brains, which holds all the synaptic troughs of our thoughts, our identities, when we die? It dissolves, but does the content vanish? No - it's already inscribed in that endless surface of the stuff that eternity comprises. It's there for eternity. Very relieving thought, and it takes someone like Wittgenstein to remind us of those constants. Anyway, I'm pissed too because StM and us never got a chance to meet before he pissed off back to BC. Maybe next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_rawk Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Dude, at which school and at what level do you teach Religious Studies? I've been thinking about shifting part of my academic focus in that direction (and have discussed same with StM).Wish we had had the opportunity to talk a bit at the party - but I was pretty wobbly and couldn't quite recall exactly which mouse it was that was with Deb :blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 You were wobbly? I don't know if you got the looks of us when we piled into that cab on the way out! I wish you and I could have had the chance to touch base, d_rawk; I guess next time, which I hope will be sooner rather than later.Anyway - I've been at U of T and WLU; I recommend WLU as the place to pick up an undergrad in RS, if only because it's a smaller school, and (not knowing what specialisation you're interested in) it's the smaller school that always tends to work better. I love what I've been able to do at U of T, and I know a whole pile of people teaching there who knock themselves sideways to take care of their students; but at the end of the day, at a place like U of T, you have to pretty much drive your own education to make it worthwhile. If that's what you do anyway, giv'er - you'll get what you need to really come off. If you need the space to sift and sort, you're probably better served at a smaller school. Again, I say that with the reservation that it's often enough luck of the draw and whom you meet, when. If you want to throw any more detail this way, PT or otherwise, let me know, and I'll see what more I might have to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_rawk Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Haha, yeah, you guys seemed pretty wobbly too. Unfortunately I didn't have the good fortune of seeing either of you at the end of the day.I hear you might be moving to the area as early as August? That's great, and should provide us with plenty of opportunity to talk. Although just as I'm prone to a shameful bravado, I'm equally plagued by a painful shyness (it's the gemini in me, I think) - so you'll have to grab me by the arm and get the ball rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Anyway, I'm pissed too because StM and us never got a chance to meet before he pissed off back to BC. Maybe next time.I'm actually still here, but I'm leaving tomorrow morning. I apologize for not meeting more Skancs, especially Dr. Evil, while I've been here, but I've had craziness going on; planning a wedding, Live 8...I also apologize for my lame reply in this thread, and not giving any philosophical input; but I'm on vacation and my brain is turned off. (Besides, I'm not too bright at the best of times.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deranger Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 I was a philosophy student and my all time fav after four years of study was hands down Fredrick Nietzsche. This man was the shit disturber of the philosophy world and truely has some of the most original ideas I ever did read. A tough read without explanatory notes though, the most oft suggested readings of his are Geneology of Morals and Beyong Good and Evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 I was a philosophy student and my all time fav after four years of study was hands down Fredrick Nietzsche. This man was the shit disturber of the philosophy world and truely has some of the most original ideas I ever did read. A tough read without explanatory notes though, the most oft suggested readings of his are Geneology of Morals and Beyong Good and Evil. Good call! I'd add to your list Twilight of the Idols. I've only gotten to appreciate Nietzsche in the last few years; partly it was having learned that H.L. Mencken did a lot of the first English translations (Mencken for his part is seriously, bitterly funny). You've just inspired me to revert to my old signature line for a while! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 I find it's all in Thus Spake Zarathustra. If you want to get a little funky, though, and read some insightful interpretation on Nietzsche, Gilles Deleuze was always a bit controversial but a great Nietzschean critic. (Too bad when he jumped out of that window to his suicidal death; though. Well, there's always eternal recurrence; maybe he just took the whole thing a little too literally... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedShredder Posted July 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 Hmmm... Nietzsche seems to be taking over... I'm worried... wonder if we'll ever fix this damn smog! ~W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 Hmmm... Nietzsche seems to be taking over... I'm worried... wonder if we'll ever fix this damn smog! He'd probably just sneer at it a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 [color:purple]Damn plebeians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedShredder Posted July 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 [color:purple]Damn plebeians.I'd trust them about as far as I could throw em': Three feet I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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