Steve from Cleveland Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Here ya guys go... Looks like some of you dislike this guy almost as much as I do. Regardless, here's his newest rant for discussion...Sunday, September 11th, 2005A Letter to All Who Voted for George W. Bush from Michael MooreTo All My Fellow Americans Who Voted for George W. Bush: On this, the fourth anniversary of 9/11, I'm just curious, how does it feel? How does it feel to know that the man you elected to lead us after we were attacked went ahead and put a guy in charge of FEMA whose main qualification was that he ran horse shows? That's right. Horse shows. I really want to know -- and I ask you this in all sincerity and with all due respect -- how do you feel about the utter contempt Mr. Bush has shown for your safety? C'mon, give me just a moment of honesty. Don't start ranting on about how this disaster in New Orleans was the fault of one of the poorest cities in America. Put aside your hatred of Democrats and liberals and anyone with the last name of Clinton. Just look me in the eye and tell me our President did the right thing after 9/11 by naming a horse show runner as the top man to protect us in case of an emergency or catastrophe. I want you to put aside your self-affixed label of Republican/conservative/born-again/capitalist/ditto-head/right-winger and just talk to me as an American, on the common ground we both call America. Are we safer now than before 9/11? When you learn that behind the horse show runner, the #2 and #3 men in charge of emergency preparedness have zero experience in emergency preparedness, do you think we are safer? When you look at Michael Chertoff, the head of Homeland Security, a man with little experience in national security, do you feel secure? When men who never served in the military and have never seen young men die in battle send our young people off to war, do you think they know how to conduct a war? Do they know what it means to have your legs blown off for a threat that was never there? Do you really believe that turning over important government services to private corporations has resulted in better services for the people? Why do you hate our federal government so much? You have voted for politicians for the past 25 years whose main goal has been to de-fund the federal government. Do you think that cutting federal programs like FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers has been good or bad for America? GOOD OR BAD? With the nation's debt at an all-time high, do you think tax cuts for the rich are still a good idea? Will you give yours back so hundreds of thousands of homeless in New Orleans can have a home? Do you believe in Jesus? Really? Didn't he say that we would be judged by how we treat the least among us? Hurricane Katrina came in and blew off the facade that we were a nation with liberty and justice for all. The wind howled and the water rose and what was revealed was that the poor in America shall be left to suffer and die while the President of the United States fiddles and tells them to eat cake. That's not a joke. The day the hurricane hit and the levees broke, Mr. Bush, John McCain and their rich pals were stuffing themselves with cake. A full day after the levees broke (the same levees whose repair funding he had cut), Mr. Bush was playing a guitar some country singer gave him. All this while New Orleans sank under water. It would take ANOTHER day before the President would do a flyover in his jumbo jet, peeking out the window at the misery 2500 feet below him as he flew back to his second home in DC. It would then be TWO MORE DAYS before a trickle of federal aid and troops would arrive. This was no seven minutes in a sitting trance while children read "My Pet Goat" to him. This was FOUR DAYS of doing nothing other than saying "Brownie (FEMA director Michael Brown), you're doing a heck of a job!" My Republican friends, does it bother you that we are the laughing stock of the world? And on this sacred day of remembrance, do you think we honor or shame those who died on 9/11/01? If we learned nothing and find ourselves today every bit as vulnerable and unprepared as we were on that bright sunny morning, then did the 3,000 die in vain? Our vulnerability is not just about dealing with terrorists or natural disasters. We are vulnerable and unsafe because we allow one in eight Americans to live in horrible poverty. We accept an education system where one in six children never graduate and most of those who do can't string a coherent sentence together. The middle class can't pay the mortgage or the hospital bills and 45 million have no health coverage whatsoever. Are we safe? Do you really feel safe? You can only move so far out and build so many gated communities before the fruit of what you've sown will be crashing through your walls and demanding retribution. Do you really want to wait until that happens? Or is it your hope that if they are left alone long enough to soil themselves and shoot themselves and drown in the filth that fills the street that maybe the problem will somehow go away? I know you know better. You gave the country and the world a man who wasn't up for the job and all he does is hire people who aren't up for the job. You did this to us, to the world, to the people of New Orleans. Please fix it. Bush is yours. And you know, for our peace and safety and security, this has to be fixed. What do you propose? I have an idea, and it isn't a horse show. Yours, Michael Moorewww.michaelmoore.commmflint@aol.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deranger Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 what a shameless self-promoter. I hate how he asks those pointed questions that just shouldn't be asked. It can't be because he has a point, it must be because he's an opportunist and self-promoter. Or maybe it's cause he hates America so much he just has to find someone to blame or complain to. Or maybe its cause he so badly needs to draw attention to himself. whatever his motives or intentions, it can't have anything to do with the content of whats he's actually saying. It has to be something else, something left wing, something liberal and sinister. what a self promoting bastard he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Which pointed questions does he ask that shouldn't be asked? I also wonder why you call this self-promotion. He has political-concerns that he is communicating to his fellow voters. Should he sign the correspondence "Anonymous" to avoid "self-promotion"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve from Cleveland Posted September 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 (edited) I disagree... I don't think he has political concerns at all... I think he's taking the opportunity to thumb his nose at everyone and say, "See, I told you so! You should have watched F911 20 more times, and then go voted for Kerry!" Instead, everyone saw the film and then DIDN'T do what he wanted them to, so now he's pissed and being a crybaby about it. By pointing out (promoting) that he was right, and people who voted for Bush were wrong. It's real easy to point fingers. The bottom line is this: who knows what Kerry would have done with the mess in Iraq? Who knows how he would have responded to Katrina? Who knows? Nobody, but this fucker will claim to! It's real easy to ASSUME things would be different if someone else were in office... Maybe I'm jaded by the whole shebang, but I don't think it makes a lick of difference who the president is. They're all one in the same... And Michael Moore(on) can go fuck himself!Just my $.02Steve Edited September 12, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deeps Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 MM is a bit of a knob and self-promoter, but he is on the money in telling anyone who will listen that Bush and his administration are a bunch of under-educated cowboy chronies and are screwing everything up.He's gotta rant. The American voter he is trying to reach doesn't like liberal thinking or language for that matter and therefore need these ideas pounded through their skulls if their going to take notice.More Bush buddies counting money found here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Steve:I think it's easy to say we have no way to know what would have happened had the vote gone another way. That said, things went exactly how everyone expected with GWB in power.I think Michael Moore does have political concerns. I think he made them known through his movie, and that's why he made it. (Yes, he earned a profit as well, but he spends some of that on funding the cause he believes in.)We had 50 years of Noam Chomsky trying to rally the American public. It appears that no one would listen, or they just couldn't understand him. Michael Moore is bringing that same message to the average voter, and I think he is absolutely necessary in today's world. He uses similar propagana-tactics as the government, and I say he has no choice as he is up against a huge machine. He's fighting fire with fire.I also think there are practically no questions about a politician's actions in office or those of his party that should be unasked; but maybe I will change my mind on that when deranger has time to reply.More power to Michael Moore, and I hope he never gives up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guigsy Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 it's like deja vu, all over again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve from Cleveland Posted September 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Steve:I think it's easy to say we have no way to know what would have happened had the vote gone another way. That said, things went exactly how everyone expected with GWB in power.Perhaps with respect to Iraq... I don't think anyone said "If Bush is in office, and there's a huge natural disaster, he'll fuck that all up, too!" At least I never heard it... It's just as easy to say that he did exactly what was expected as it is to note that someone else might not have done it any differently... I think he made them known through his movie, and that's why he made it. (Yes, he earned a profit as well, but he spends some of that on funding the cause he believes in.)C'mon... Really? He didn't make it to make money? It was PURELY a political statement? And what about "bowling?" He did that PURELY as a statement against gun violence? And sure, he might have funded the causes he 'believes' in with SOME of the money... SOME of it... If it was all about the message, he'd donate it all... Not that I expect him to, or think that he should. I'm just saying that there are other motives behind making movies (making money) than just his beliefs. I am of the opinion that whatever message he is trying to convey, it is being lost in the manner with which he conveys it. Again, just my $.02...S/C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Damn straight STNMTN. "He uses similar propagana-tactics as the government, and I say he has no choice as he is up against a huge machine. He's fighting fire with fire." "More power to Michael Moore, and I hope he never gives up." The fact of the matter is that everyone will be much worse off because of his time in office. Some people need that point driven home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeps Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Looks like Pony boy can't take the heat. Browny Retires Probably has some profitting off people's misery work to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 It's real easy to point fingers. The bottom line is this: who knows what Kerry would have done with the mess in Iraq? Who knows how he would have responded to Katrina? Who knows? Nobody, but this fuÇker will claim to! It's real easy to ASSUME things would be different if someone else were in office... Well, I happen to believe (and history shows IMO) that the Republicans when in power are much more cut-throat in their blatant patronage and blatant will to serve their own intersts/support base. Case in point - the appointment of Mike Brown to head of FEMA. I believe that if Kerry had been President, and more competent person with more experience would have been appointed, not some right-wing-former-dubya-drinking-buddy-idiot, who basically was totally incompetent and only appointmed because he politically helped Bush.So, ya know....there's one possible way things could've been different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve from Cleveland Posted September 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Case in point - the appointment of Mike Brown to head of FEMA. I believe that if Kerry had been President, and more competent person with more experience would have been appointed, not some right-wing-former-dubya-drinking-buddy-idiot, who basically was totally incompetent and only appointmed because he politically helped Bush.Yeah, probably some left-wing-former-kerry-drinking-buddy-idiot, who basically was totally incompetent and only appointed because he politically helped Kerry.I don't know... I just think that everyone's SO quick to point out what the Republicans do (scratch each others backs) when it's not the Republicans per se... It's ALL POLITICIANS (At least in this country it is). Dems do it just as much as the Rep.The biggest problem I have with American politics is the similarity between Republicans and Democrats... Everybody wants to pretend like they're so much different, either in actions, ideology, or motivation. The bottom line is that they all act exactly the same once they have the power... Selfishly.Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ge-off Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 The biggest problem I have with American politics is the similarity between Republicans and Democrats... Everybody wants to pretend like they're so much different, either in actions, ideology, or motivation. The bottom line is that they all act exactly the same once they have the power... Selfishly.Stevei couldnt agree with you more.. two party system cant win.. in the last canadian election i voted GREEN.. knowing full well nothing with come of it.. except the fact that they are now at 5-6% of the vote.. which means they get federal funding.. just curious did you vote last election steve?and if your comfortable who did you vote for?and please dont take it the wrong way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve from Cleveland Posted September 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 just curious did you vote last election steve?and if your comfortable who did you vote for? and please dont take it the wrong way... Of course I did... Though some might wish I hadn't... I have voted in EVEY election since I reached the age of majority... I'm a sucker for democracy (even our 'lite' brand). I voted for Bush... I know, I know... Bring it on... Actually not too long after the election there was a thread where I admitted to having done this. It wasn't as bad as I expected it to be (the backlash). I also fully stand behind my vote, even today. I know THAT'S gonna be unpopular... But having no insight into the future back then, I stand by the reasons I had for making my decision... Would I vote differently today? Perhaps... Then again, perhaps not... Again, I base this statement on the fact that I feel it really makes little to no difference who's in power. Along with the fact that overall I tend to lean more toward the right (fiscally, though socially I lean futher left - hence my stance on universal healthcare, etc)... Time to bust out the ol' flame-retardant suit, methinks Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ge-off Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 just curious did you vote last election steve?and if your comfortable who did you vote for? and please dont take it the wrong way... I voted for Bush... I know' date=' I know... Bring it on... Actually not too long after the election there was a thread where I admitted to having done this. It wasn't as bad as I expected it to be (the backlash). Time to bust out the ol' flame-retardant suit, methinks Steve[/quote'] i ask, because your the only american i have noticed.. im not gonna rag on you for voting bush.. i guess like michael moores latest letter, i to am curious what the folks think of their commander in chief after the fact that they put him in power for another 4yrs.. but have you thought of putting your vote to other parties like green or anything else.. or do you feel that it would be throwing your vote away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deranger Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Steve - I implore you (and anyone else) to read this article from Rolling Stone on the current administrations environmental record..... http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7605389?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single7I particularly likes the part about "blending" raw sewage and drinking water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Would the Democrats have gone into Iraq - No.Would the Democrats have given tax breaks to the Upper Class - No.Would the Democrats have cancelled funding for family planning programs in Africa - No.Those are just a few examples. Seems to me you're missing some details with your "they're all the same" brush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Edit - of course, how could I forget the Republicans Environmental record!!Would the Democrats proposed drilling into the Alaskan Wildfire Refuge - No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 deranger: I see you're back. I asked you a couple questions above that I think you missed, as there have been posts in between. I'm still curious; especially about your comment regarding the questions that shouldn't be asked. Could you clarify, if you have a minute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve from Cleveland Posted September 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 (edited) Well, am I 100% happy the way things turned out? No... As for other parties... Yeah, I voted for Perot back in the day... It is like tossing your vote away, in my opinion. Especially since 3rd parties have so LITTLE clout. Essentially, right now a vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for the favorite in the 2-party vote.Would the Democrats have gone into Iraq - No.Ummmm... Lots of Democrats voted to go into Iraq... This was NOT an action by the President as an individual... I could pull up the statistics...Would John Kerry have gotten us OUT of Iraq? Nope... Said so himself... Would the Democrats have given tax breaks to the Upper Class - No.Would they have repealed them? I'd bet not...Those are just a few examples. Seems to me you're missing some details with your "they're all the same" brush.Many things that were done in Bush's 1st 4 years would NOT have been UNdone had Kerry gotten into office. So, I think it's pointless to talk about what would've/could've/should've been done... And it is rare for a new admin to come in and un-do something (like the tax cuts). Also, I got money back on the tax-cuts... I'm certainly not rich, not even upper-middle class... Hell, I wouldn't even count myself as middle class... Lower-middle maybe...I really, HONESTLY, believe it makes virtually NO difference who's president... By the way, all things you mentioned are voted on BY CONGRESS! Not necessarily up to the president (though, admittedly, he does have influence with respect to how congress votes to some extent). Congress has WAY more to do with passage of legislature than does the Pres...Steve Edited September 12, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Pretty sure that post was mean't to be in purple Stn??(I haven't read the other MM bashing posts btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Dude, you said there were no differences between the two parties, now you're saying I couldn't prove the Dems would undue Republican stuff....quite different.(also, remember all those Democrats voted for the Iraq war when noone knew all the "evidence" was false yet, remember?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve from Cleveland Posted September 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 (edited) Dude, you said there were no differences between the two parties, now you're saying I couldn't prove the Dems would undue Republican stuff....quite different.(also, remember all those Democrats voted for the Iraq war when noone knew all the "evidence" was false yet, remember?)I'm also saying that you're blaming actions that were taken on one party when EVERYTHING you mentioned was passed by congress, which is made up of both Republicans and Democrats. It's easy to point the finger and say "The republicans did it!" when, in actuality, both parties participated. That's kind of what I meant when I said it doesn't matter who's president...Also, I remeber the circumstances of the vote. I'm not 'conveniently' forgetting anything... I'm just pointing out the fact that none of that changes which way a person voted. And remember, JUST as many Republicans voted under the 'false information as did Democrats. Do you REALLY believe that if ALL the facts were known, that the Rep's STILL would have voted to invade and the Dem's would have voted not to? C'mon.... S/C Edited September 12, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonyak Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I don;t profess to know alot about american politics but I, knowing the little that I do, can't imagine any reason why someone would EVER vote for bush. It just doesn;t register anywhere in my brain why someone would vote for him, thinking him the best to do the job. I mean the guy is a bumbling, self serving idiot from all that I've seen or heard. Yet again I dont; get both sides of the story.Michael moore seems to be just standing up for what he beleives in. Bush has made your country a place that everyone in the world, at least the ones I know, despises. Do you really want someone like that running your country?? does that make any sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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