phishtaper Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 ah ok. just checkin'. thanks AD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nibbler Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 edit to add: when did the mainstream media become a singular entity? It must have happened during the heat-gun-turkey-bag days. The term mainstream media (MSM) denotes those media disseminated via the largest distribution channels, which therefore represent what the majority of media consumers are likely to encounter. The term also denotes those media generally reflective of the prevailing currents of thought, influence, or activity. Large news conglomerates, including newspapers and broadcast media, which underwent successive mergers in the U.S. and elsewhere at an increasing rate beginning in the 1990s, are often referenced by the term. This consolidation of ownership has raised concerns of a progressive homogenization of viewpoints presented to news consumers. Consequently, the term mainstream media has been widely used in conversation and the blogosphere, often in oppositional, pejorative, or dismissive senses, in discussion of the mass media and media bias. link to source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 so, are the Toronto Star, Globe and Mail, National Post, La Presse, Toronto Sun, Winnipeg Free Press, Calgary Herald and Vancouver Sun identical newspapers? And CTV, CBC, CanWest and CBCRadio, Rogers, Corus are just TV and radio versions of the same thing?curious that you reference an american definition of mass media, tho'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Large news conglomerates, including newspapers and broadcast media, which underwent successive mergers in the U.S. and elsewhere at an increasing rate beginning in the 1990s, are often referenced by the term. This consolidation of ownership has raised concerns of a progressive homogenization of viewpoints presented to news consumers. Consequently, the term mainstream media has been widely used in conversation and the blogosphere, often in oppositional, pejorative, or dismissive senses, in discussion of the mass media and media bias.To me, this is one of the biggest issues when it comes to the media. It's the answering to corporate ownership causing 'journalists' to vet their pieces in a way to not upset their bosses and lose their paycheques. I know that's a complete generalization, but it does happen. I've seen it at my work where many of the 'old guard' have been let go. Bring in the young fresh graduate journalist who is more than happy to report as they are told, or not worry when their work is completely altered by their editors.Some of the articles that have been posted here have shown how maybe the G20 events have woken up some of those outlets and that maybe they should stand up to their journalistic ideals and report the stories for what they are and not for what somebody else wants them to be.These are the reasons that public broadcasters and news outlets are seen as a threat to some gov'ts. In the US good ol' Georgie Bush cut spending massivly to PBS and tried to run them off the air completely. NPR radio, the same thing. Here in Canada, Harper would love to cut all spending to CBC for sure. Constant rhetoric is always spewed out to make the public think that it's wasted tax dollars. Hmmmmmm how far would $1.3 billion go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Do you think Harper wants to cut the CBC because of its journalism or because of his politics and budget? I'd be surprised if you think it's because of the journalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 AD, It's all three. Trust me. The Conservatives feel that the CBC is a huge Liberal supporter when it comes to bias. However, that train of thought thinks that ANY journalism that asks questions they don't want to answer is automatically lib-biased.. Ridiculous. As for the budget, it's pennies in the grand scheme of things (compare to other gov't spending) yet they constantly try to convince people that it's breaking the bank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 i heard the CBC handed out rocks and 2x4's to a bunch of innocent kids and ordered them to smash windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nibbler Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 AD,It's all three. Trust me. The Conservatives feel that the CBC is a huge Liberal supporter when it comes to bias. However, that train of thought thinks that ANY journalism that asks questions they don't want to answer is automatically lib-biased.. Ridiculous. As for the budget, it's pennies in the grand scheme of things (compare to other gov't spending) yet they constantly try to convince people that it's breaking the bank The bias of the MSM is not slanted towards a particular political party- its slanted in favor of corporate interests. Where there appears to be bias slanted towards a particular party or politician, it is moreso a reflection of how aligned that individual/party is with corporate interests in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Care to cite an example or two from a current writer or publication? Can I pick a random article from the paper for you to analyze?What do you make of freelancers?Do you blanket-dismiss all big media or are there writers or publications that are exempt from your theories? Anything to say to the other big post I directed at you last night nibbler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Can I pick a random article from the paper for you to analyze?yes, let's do this. but please pick a short one, AD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nibbler Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Apologies if my response to your "big" post fell short of your expectations.Since 1992, 818 journalists have been killed on the job, 524 of those were confirmed murders without impunity, 454 journalists live in exile worldwide today. 17 journalists have been confirmed murdered for the news they tried to report in 2010 alone. Seeing as y'all seem to like death and violence and shit, a thread specifically discussing the Main Stream Media's present state is long overdue.Statistics provided by Committee to Protect Journalists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Tragic and sad, but what does that have to do with what some of us are attempting to discuss here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 nibbler, it's not at all fair to say "y'all seem to like death and violence and shit". that's a pretty mean thing to say here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nibbler Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Tragic and sad, but what does that have to do with what some of us are attempting to discuss here?It has everything to do with this discussion:As multinational ownership, consolidation, and control of media at all levels continues unchecked, journalists who report the truth as it happens are increasingly punished for doing so. Kev points out a general process used to rid the MSM of the 'old guard'. In a similar context, Bill Maher lost his current affairs television show "Politically Incorrect" in 2001 because the corporate sponsors didn't like what he was saying. Never mind the record all time high ratings the show was getting at the time. Did you look over that page I linked to? Look at the numbers of independent vs. embedded reporters killed in Iraq. What do those imbalanced numbers tell you? If the killing of journalists bothered the controllers of the MSM, don't you think more of an effort to report the story would be evident in MSM "news coverage"? As it stands, the journalists being threatened and killed are the ones willing to get out of their office chairs, away from computer screens, and hit the streets asking tough questions. In other words, its the courageous journalists who take their duty seriously, that is to report the news to the people, those are whom the MSM controllers fear the most. Lo and behold, look which journalists are getting the beats from police/ threatened with sexual assaults/ getting killed by "friendly fire" in Iraq.Scroll back a few pages in this G20 discussion and watch the video of Steve Paikin discussing how a reporter for The Guardian is physically assaulted by a police supervisor right in front of Paikins eyes- and then arrested for doing nothing more than his job.Watch the video below of Amy Miller reporting how she was physically assaulted, arrested, and threatened with sexual assault by police. All because she was trying to report on the events as they happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nibbler Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Amy Miller - Alternative Media Centre, Independent Journalist from Darren Puscas on Vimeo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted July 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 nibbler: maybe AD doesn't find any reliability in reading between the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 nibbler, I am still waiting for an apology for your absurd statement that "y'all seem to like death and violence and shit". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted July 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 pt...how is he in the wrong for what us folks 'seem' ?He has to apologize for his perspective now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 you seem like someone who likes to touch little girl's vaginas, YT. get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 It's pretty easy to see how journalists can get frustrated when asking specific questions and not getting relevant replies. Do you want to talk corporate takeover of media, journalistic ethics, G20, random statistics, war reporting...? How about a new thread with some focus and a real debate if it comes to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Also interesting to see videos of Amy posted here. We used to be really close buddies a number of years ago until she left Ottawa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nibbler Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 As I suggested nine posts ago, a new thread focused on media issues would be an interesting addition to the boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Yeah then you wrote another rambler about a bunch of topics while avoiding on-topic relevant questions. And told people that they like death and violence and shit. Explain that or apologize then start a new topic with a specific focus, if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 "You start the new topic!" "No, you start the new topic!" Am I stuck in a gov't meeting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 I have no idea what points nibbler is trying to express so it'd be best to let him/her have the floor. Then decide if it's worth it to engage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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