StoneMtn

Alright. I ordered my tickets! Still a little scared though...

So, I'm about to order myself tickets to see Gwar play in Vancouver in November. Frankly, I'm a little scared; I think. ::

Any thoughts? Anyone had the "pleasure" of having red goo spewed upon them by Gwar in the past?

This thread appears to have no end.

As it wanes and slows there is merely a bend

In the story and theme

That's spontaneously been

Made by an unrelated team.

To what can compare a rhyme out of thin air?

I sit and I think and I grovel

For a metaphor that

Might actually be apt.

Hmmm, the Dworkinian chain-novel?

You might want to contact John Southworth. He seems ready to play in and around Toronto all the time, and he is great. Unique sound.

Sparks fly during Bush, Kerry foreign policy debate

Last Updated Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:02:15 EDT

CORAL GABLES, FLA. - The highly anticipated debate between Senator John Kerry and President George W. Bush ended Thursday night with no clear winner, but with each candidate suffering some heavy blows from his opponent.

INDEPTH: US Election 2004

President Bush and Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry, shake hands before the start of the first of their three presidential debates. (AP Photo)

Kerry wasted no time at all. Just seconds after the debate began, he stared down his opponent and said, "I can make America safer than President Bush has made us." Then he crystallized what will likely be the focus of his campaign for the final month. "This president has made, I regret to say, a colossal error of judgment," said Kerry. "The president made a mistake in invading Iraq."

For most of the next 90 minutes the two men tore at each other over the issue of Iraq - the planning, the invasion, the occupation and how they would get the troops home. Few other foreign policy issues were discussed at any length.

"I've shown the American people I know how to lead," said Bush. "I made some tough decisions. People know where I stand and what I believe."

The president told a worldwide audience that the U.S. has "a duty to defeat this enemy. We have a duty to protect our children and grandchildren."

Bush said the problems U.S. troops are facing today in Iraq are in large part because of his successful military strategy. "I thought they'd stay and fight," said Bush referring to the Iraqi forces loyal to Saddam Hussein. "We're fighting them now."

Kerry, who accused Bush of having no exit strategy said, a Democratic victory in November will change that. "My message to the troops is ... help is on the way."

But Bush's well rehearsed lines hit their mark. Referring again to Kerry's 'flip-flops', Bush said "the only thing consistent about my opponent's position is he's been inconsistent."

The final five weeks of the 2004 presidential campaign may turn on the fallout from Thursday's debate which was set up to concentrate solely on homeland security and foreign policy issues. Seldom have candidates faced-off in such a charged atmosphere with such different views of America's place in the world.

The questions the candidates faced were posed by PBS' Jim Lehrer.

The debate, held at the University of Miami in Florida, brought the Republican incumbent and his democratic challenger face-to-face for the first time in the campaign and gave tens of millions of American voters a chance to size up the candidates.

The candidates have spoken disparagingly of each other out on the stump. In person, except for exchanging a friendly handshake before the debate started, they continued to take pot shots at each other. When asked to describe the character differences between them Bush said, "You cannot lead when you send mixed messages. There must be certainty by the U.S. president."

Kerry shot back that Bush's convictions are part of the problem. "It's one thing to be certain. But you can be certain and be wrong," said the Massachusetts senator.

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, left, answers a question as President Bush listens. Debate moderator Jim Lehrer is at center. (AP Photo)

"I won't change my core values because of politics or because of pressure," said Bush.

The issues of North Korea's nuclear ambitions and the continuing refugee problem in the Darfur region of Sudan highlighted differences between Bush and Kerry, but the issue that drove the ideological wedge between the men was, as was predicted, Iraq.

There were no knockout blows and no gaffes. Both men were calm, controlled and well prepared for the other's attacks. But it will now be up to the American public to decide how many of the punches landed, and if it will change their opinion.

A poll released Tuesday by the Pew Research Center shows Bush in the lead, nationally, with 48 per cent of decided voters and Kerry with 40 per cent. CBS News released a similar poll result just before the start of the debate.

The debate lasted 90 minutes, but was hampered by the rules imposed on the proceedings by the two camps. A 32-page rule book was produced banning the candidates from using props, asking each other questions, or coming out from behind their podiums. The agreement even said no reaction shots, but television networks ignored that rule.

There will be two more debates before the Nov. 2 vote. On Oct. 8 in St. Louis, Bush and Kerry will debate with no subject restrictions. Finally, on Oct. 13, in Phoenix, Arizona, the two will debate domestic and economic policy.

Written by CBC News Online staff

Mine is just silly:

"You are Round Room. While certainly not the Phish we know and love, you've got a few we grew to enjoy. 46 Days and Walls of The Cave were sometimes something. You've hopefully stumbled into your fair share of shows and know how to clap during Stash. Maybe you're young and pissed off for missing pre-hiatus Phish. Maybe you just never got into em."

As it happens, I saw 95% of my shows pre-hiatus. Silly test.

I agree with Paisley. Although I have actively worked and organized events with the sole focus being opposition to Paul Martin's complacency regarding American plans to weaponize space, out of pure terror of the "New Conservatives", I had to bite the bullet and vote Liberal. Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. (Given the choice, I'd be voting Action Party http://www.canadianactionparty.ca , who clearly rock, but have no chance any time soon.)

Ollie. Window washers can wear harnesses. Do you think that a waitress wearing a gas mask would find that her attire has a detrimental effect on her tips?

I don't think it comes down to "really hating working in a bar". Single mothers are more often than not waitresses and secretaries, as these are two jobs they can get with little to no education and still support a family. (If you can't type, you are left with only one of those options.) It is entirely insensitive to suggest that they change careers because they "really hate it", when the actual issue is their exposure to noxious chemicals.

Oh, geez, my apologies for failing to notice ... especially after AD was considerate enough to point out the newly announced Vancouver Tom Waits show to me. Happy Birthday, my friend!

Good luck Blane. Go forth and claim those Amsterdam tickets! They're all yours!

Contracting cancer due to repeated exposure to second-hand smoke after years of working in a bar to make a living doesn't have to be an inherent risk, though - it's a preventable one. And I know that someone will suggest that the waitress get a different job, but the reality is that waitressing is one of the only options for many people in society.

Well said! I couldn't agree more.

I second Ms. Huxtable's comments. That is great, Adam, that you went to all that trouble. I find it an unfortunate "coincidence" that it seems to be exactly those votes that are likely to hurt the current administration that seem likely to be excluded. It sounds strikingly familiar to the recent report that millions of poor, black American voters' registrations within the USA have also been disqualified for some technicalities. I applaud your effort, Adam, and I hope others will be as diligent and follow suit.

It's times like this when I reconsider getting cable. Alas...

Maybe I'll give you a call from my cell during the show. I'll hold it up in the air for you. Get your tape recorder ready! ::

"Beware! Wet Concrete."

Bokonon. I think you missed my point. I was pointing out that tatterdemalion is suggesting that in order to be a vegetarian you have to be health conscious. First, I would be very surprised if you cannot find literature indicating that eating meat can also be a healthy diet. Second, that is not my point anyway. Whether or not vegetarianism is healthier, it is entirely irrelevant whether a person is health-conscious in order to be a vegetarian. If you do not eat any flesh, but live on french fries and avocado, you are not likely to be healthy. You are, however, a vegetarian.

That was my point.

BTW, I've wanted to mention to you for some time that I LOVE the name you have chosen; from one of my favourite books of all time.

also funny are the "vegetarians" who thrive on pop, chips & chocolate bars. they're not eating meat, so that's okay. i'm certainly not complaining about junkatarianism, but i don't even want to hear these people call themselves vegetarian, even though technically they are.

Huh? What a strange comment. I, who am not a vegetarian as I eat fish, choose not to eat mammals and fowl because I feel badly for them. I feel that most animals raised on farms are essentially tortured until they are slaughtered. (Of course, that is not the case with free-range, and I would probably eat such meat, but simply don't go out of my way to do so.)

It seems to me that you are assuming vegetarians are health-conscious. Why do you assume that? Is it your belief that it is far healthier to be a vegetarian; because my understanding is that that is hardly a proven, objective fact.

Woo hoo! Thanks AD.

I am so happy you thought of me. I am going to arrange, right now, for someone to go down to the Commodore for me this Saturday.

Thanks man. I hope I can repay the favour some day.

My cat, Mr. Stimpy, sits just like that and waches TV. I can tell you, having known him for 14 years, that he never does anything he dislikes.

I refer to myself as a "discriminating omnivore". I only eat fish and vegetables.

Contrary to what a number of people think, of course, I am clearly not a vegetarian. I could certainly eat fish all day every day and no vegetables, according to my self-imposed restrictions. It would be ludicrous to call me a vegetarian (although people often do).

I can't believe this thread is still going!

I posted it, on a whim, because I thought it was so funny that a fish expert would suggest to pet owners that they buy a bunch of fish, some of whom are intended to eat the others. I am quite impressed, however, at the philosophical nature of the discussion that has ensued, and I am quite amused that this thread has actually turned into a "hot topic".

By the way. Pumpkin could have eaten all your animals, including guigsy's lion. As The Tummies say, my "cat" was "on crack".

Chicken Poulet -Bob Loblaw

Nice! Perhaps jamming into a good, freaky Human Souvenirs? ::

As far as I know, presuming you have a static IP such as ADSL or cable rather than one that changes with dial-up, it identifies the actual computer you are on. I am quite certain it has nothing to do with who your ISP is. I am no expert, though.

Lots of good stuff at live365.com. You have to do some searching and usually all the stations you want require "VIP" status (ie money-paying members) but I've found some very cool stuff on there as a non-paying listener.

"Puritan Naturists"