Mark, I love your input and all but for someone to say that all other music outside of jam music is contrived is a slap in the face to people that actually write music that doesnt involve the 'jam' (and there are a few on this board), let alone the people that can get off on music that doesnt involve the 'jam'. These same individuals voiced their personal opinions. That is what happens but things got a little too personal. We all cant be Dark Star from 10-26-89 Still, I am going to give Doug the benefit of the doubt simply because I am 100% sure he and I could have a great discussion on the subject. His passion came through in spades and I admire that. Its also become apparent based on some of his fans/friends responses that he is a great individual that provides them with fine music. That is enough for me. No harm, no foul? Let's hope a couple of folks figured it out in private messages because some things were said publicly that shouldnt have been said for all to see. But that isnt for me to decide.