SaggyBalls

"I don't know if the slope is as slippery as you think it is." Exactly. You don't know. It's great to have faith in mankind to lead you to think that it's not slippery, but making more laws that fuck us over isn't anything we NEED, especially as a knee-jerk reaction from a few freak incidents.

nobody's answered the question - which might be a first. That ever happen before?

say that 3 times fast!

2 hours and that's it? the day's nearly done.

"Every single law that exists infringes upon your freedom, but that doesn't mean that every single law is unjust" But in the name if innocent justice, there is potential for far more harm to be done when the state can move in to remove the rights of family, asserting that family is not to be trusted. If the State were to eventually make their way into our family, there would realistically have to be much greater push for preventative medecine and healthy lifestyles. it would need to be supported in every facet of living - business, food, lifestyle, economics, law, what have you. I'm not saying that I'd be entirely against certain measures, but I wouldn't be for it at the present time, as I can't see how health and well being is entirely supported by State and Society. ...A nice sentiment, but not really there yet. KK: Are you talking about reasonless pro-lifers? They'd be more than happy to assert their beliefs on every fetus and mother in the land.

What about those that didn't express an interest? i bet you'd love them if you got to know them.

Why not do both? how come it has to be 'instead' spite? If that's even a small part of it then pettiness is going to permeate everything that money does. Good or bad, and sets a precident for pettiness to be accepted as a part of business practice. The money's there somewhere. It's the perfect time to spread it around.

More alliteration!

How can society make that choice for them? That would essentially interfere with the rights of parents and the family unit and could easily be the beginning of the disollution of the concept of family and an autonomous family unit. I see that you have good in mind, but there's a huge potential for much greater harm than the few deaths and malade doing nothing has brought. to effectively and correctly address this problem will be much heavier than an age of consent, as that too would bleed into every facet of religion in a child's life. Freedom of religion and freedom from religion...both important, but can't be addressed in the same way, as a freedom from religion requires reason which a 15 month old infant is entirely unaware. "If people who believe that a "god" has a will to control one's health, then they should NEVER be making use of hospitals or synthetic drugs, or surgeons." Well that's one way to look at it...but maybe they were 'more-mennonite-than-amish' if we can adopt that sort of scale. for someone to fully understand the situation, one must also understand the perspective, rather than just the topic, of faith based healing. I can't say that I do, nor could I believe that many people do around here. cause it's 'I can't believe someone could do that' or 'how could they just let that happen' rather than 'those parents must be going through a lot right now' every single time.

Intervention and interfering are different. There's no way bringing this discussion up is aiding any sort of intervention. BUT maybe there's a way for everyone to understand the various perspectives so that we won't be inclined to interfere with peoples' beliefs systems. Was it ethically wrong for that couple to not intervene on God's will or was it Morally wrong?

intervene was the wrong word, because I was talking about after the fact. intervening before it's too late - do what you can. But to be ultimitely fair - ultimitely - Those beliefs aren't ultimitely oppressive and fail to specifically CAUSE harm. Though i don't agree with them I do realize that meddling in others' beliefs where no specific harm is done is shallow in at least one respect. Now, some may see 'harm' in this as an inaction and a failure to save - but that's not harm - it's not using medical practices to prevent harm. And though 'irrational' in the eyes of society and non faith-based thought patterns, all I can do is assert my perspective. I see this as sad and unfortunate. But if my parents were the type to let me die of pneumonia when I had it I'd want a new set. Definitely in a better place now IMO. Thanks, KK, for making me realize my pispoor verbiage.

It's unfortunate how entirely closed-minded it is to not be on the side of Faith-Healing based beliefs... ...I know I wouldn't let m kid die of pneumonia if I had one, but to be fair, it's not really anyones' place to INTERFERE...even though there's a whole slew of laws and social ethics adopted by a vast majority of the populace. Can't say I agree with their lack of action, but I can say it's not my place to assert how much more right I am than them...All I can do is assert that I recognize how one can be far more right than anyone especially myself. Although Oregon's really pretty, That kid's in a far better place.

Well Valentine's day is 3 months away. Dildo or Dong?

shovels instead of pick axes.

Tell me about it.

I also think it's so funny how people get so out of shape about silly shit like this. When do y'all think we're going to be bigger than this? In our lifetimes?

google 'any video converter' there's a start.

It's gonne be awesome to see how the patriotic atheists make themselves known and bring the pot-stirring religious fanatics to light and have them tried for treason... ...as they're tearing america apart by making issues with positions that people are pressured to be in. is that a real sign?

where's the recording?

mmm meat. Those Catholics eat *nun* on Fridays.

She was 80 when this was taken in 2003

now now...fuckwads are fun to have happen... ...big gummy fuckwads. Is Harper REALLY a fuckwad?

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"It seems weird that the new technology is behind what they were able to accomplish in 1996." no - they just think we're suckers dude.