BIG SERIES - Jays vs Yankees

[badams]

I think we need to take 3 out of 4 to stay in the hunt.

[Basher]

I think we can split and still be in the hunt, but 3 of 4 would be much better. We still play the Yanks a bunch of times after this week.

[peipunk]

...yeah, after a pretty discouraging trip to Detroit, some Yankee victories would be welcome.

[Booche]

You guys sound like Leaf fans.

Next thing you are going to tell me is that the Raptors are going to make the playoffs next year!

[Basher]

Booche - it must be nice to only have to cheer for one major sports team.

[Booche]

Hey, I am as big a Jays backer as you can get but I dont have my head up my arse.

[Jaimoe]

With a starting pitching staff of minor leaguers and an awful closer plus no RBI production from the 3,4 and 5 spots, it's amazing the Jays made it this far.

[Booche]

Which is why Riccardi (bless his heart) didnt make a big move at the trade deadline because they arent ready to make a 'real' go at it.

Give it time. This year has been my favorite in MANY. Fun team to watch.

[Basher]

Except for one that actually goes to games Booche!

Hey, before this losing streak the Jays were alive in the wild card race - now they are not.

[Del]

"How about those Jays!" (said in my best Fergie Oliver voice...) 6.5 back? Forget about the Jays, they are officially dunzo...

[Jaimoe]

No hitting plus arms that should be in AAA finally caught up to the Jays. Even with Halladay and to a lesser extent Lilly, the Jays were in tough for a real wild card slot.

[Booche]

Basher, that is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

Edited August 24, 2005 by Guest

[Jaimoe]

Jerry Howarth said on the radio yesterday that the only thing that disappoints him with the Jays right now is the production from the 3, 4 and 5 positions. He thinks the Jays are still on track for being a contender in '07 and will make serious noise next year IF they get one more arm in the starting rotation, one for the bullpen and one good RBI producer.

And Andre, he thinks the Jays are a better team without Carlos and the record doesn't lie. I'd like to see Carlos still a Jay and dump Hinske.

[Jaimoe]

And Basher, Howarth has been to a couple of Jays games this year.

[Booche]

Jaimoe, that argument makes no sense. On one hand they have no production from the 3-4-5 slot and on the other they are a better team without him?

Come on.

[Jaimoe]

Their record is way better than last year, unless they start to really go in the tank for the rest of the season.

I'm just saying what Jerry said. I've been pondering his statement. It's interesting. I think if Carlos was on the team, they wouldn't have had Hill in the line-up and some of the other younger players. I don't know, but they all play really hard and last year some of the players may have been complacent.

[Booche]

"I don't know, but they all play really hard and last year some of the players may have been complacent."

First, that wasnt Carlo's fault. Secondly, the 3-4-5 hitters were off this year correct? Carlos made the 3 and 5 hitters better around him. I just have a hard time believing a team that is desperate for the run producing part of the lineup being better without him there.

That doesnt make any sense, whatsoever. He is at 24 hrs and 85 rbi's, so you can expect another year of 30-100. Tell me the Jays wouldnt be in a better position without THAT in the lineup.

Edited August 24, 2005 by Guest
spelling mistakes, ya cack-suckers

[Jaimoe]

His salary would kill the Jays ever adding another pitcher and depth in the bullpen by '07.

[Booche]

Fair enough, and I agree a hundred percent, but I didnt think we were talking salary. If you want a solid 4 man, you have to pay for him. His old salary hand-cuffed the Jays and I will never deny that.

[Booche]

We need to get a bed&breakfast by the looks of this.

[SmoothedShredder]

Jaimoe, that argument makes no sense. On one hand they have no production from the 3-4-5 slot and on the other they are a better team without him?

Come on.

Sorry Booche, gotta call this one... yes, the 3-4-5 are down, but the rest of the team is up... therefore the better record... It looks flawed, and you'd be right if the only thing that mattered on a baseball team is the 3-4-5 position. But it's not.

Of course put Delgado in there and they are even better, but Apples to Oranges the record doesn't lie. Just think if Vernon didn't get off to a slow start. Mmmm, what ifs'... what if Sterling Sharpe didn't break his back (watch out Jerry Rice!), plus all this Injury/platooning time is getting alot of guys great experience and trade value.

On a side note... for some reason every time I went to a game... Palmerio was usually there... and he KILLS the Jays... just think of their record if he's skinny as a telephone wire. Damn cheaters. But I laugh everytime I hear his testimony... if only cause Liars make me uncomfortable.

Jay's will be a fun team in 07... and they're a good team this year... lots of character games, and forming a real identity. But this is also happening in other places (Cleveland,Tampa Bay,ChicagoWSX), and each year, everyone starts off with the same record. J.P. Richardi has done a good job up to this point, and Toronto will probably always have to play the underdog roll until there is some kind of salary cap, or Gas crisis or something.

Power of Deduction!!!

Peace,

~W

[SmoothedShredder]

They need to Marion Hossa the Four Spot

[Booche]

SmoothShredder, I agree with your assesment but please, read 4 posts up from yours. Their record DOESNT lie but I dare you to tell me that they dont require a #4 guy like Carlos. They are a better team because they have better players, but they ARENT better because Delgado isnt there.

That is all I am trying to get at. Had he been on this squad, they would have almost 10 more wins. You have to pay to get a player like that. Why didnt they try to retain him? Rogers opened the vault soon after he left and I am still incredibly bitter they didnt give him a couple of more years.

This team could have had a much better chance to make the playoffs. Obviously, loyalty is long gone in sport.

Still, I trust Richardi's decisions (thanks for the spelling.)

[SmoothedShredder]

Oh they do... but that wasn't the point... it was that the team wasn't better, as a whole... but yeah, Delgado back on there, and we got three teams from the East Back in, or the Yankees playing for thridsies...

I would like Delgado back, for sure... Give me Juiced McGwire actaully (with the Lance Armstorng formula)... naw just kiddin', If Hinskie lived up to his potential, they'd be fine... but we'll just have to wait until next year...

It's fun to watch Russ Adams hit... and I think JP's doing great within the structure he's been given... I wonder if he's available to take over the Raptors... Geez, what a train wreck.

Still we agree... ish... It's semantics, and I see where your getting at... damn symbolic logic course... take sentances so logically now.

[Booche]

Hahahahahhahaa, yessir. They have a better record with better pitching!

I am a bitter, old man.