MLBaseball HOF

[Thorgnor]

It's a strange time.

thoughts?

as a Cubs fan, I'm not real happy about Sosa being on the list. I don't really want the asterisk on the club (any more than it already is).

:susel:

[Hal Johnson]

I went through the eligible players list and had entirely way too much fun deciding whether or not they used drugs. Once you take the obvious ones out, there's still a few half decent guys left.

Sandy Alomar Jr. 1988-2007 1st Yes

Jeff Bagwell 1991-2005 3rd Definitely

Craig Biggio 1988-2007 1st Gonna say no. He's tiny and was never really known for power

Barry Bonds 1986-2007 1st Fucker.

Jeff Cirillo 1994-2007 1st How is he even on this list?

Royce Clayton 1991-2007 1st See: Jeff Cirillo

Roger Clemens 1984-2007 1st See: Barry Bonds

Jeff Conine 1990, 1992-2007 1st Yes

Steve Finley 1989-2007 1st No

Julio Franco 1982-94, 1996-97, 1999, 2001-07 1st Fuck, he probably did. The bastard.

Shawn Green 1993-2007 1st 4 hr game? Check.

Roberto Hernandez 1991-2007 1st Who?

Ryan Klesko 1992-2007 1st boo

Kenny Lofton 1991-2007 1st No and he's awesome.

Edgar Martinez 1987-2004 4th Gonna say no and I hope he gets in. I think the ball writers feel the same way.

Don Mattingly 1982-95 13th Hells no.

Fred McGriff 1986-2004 4th nah

Mark McGwire 1986-2001 7th He’s pretty much admitted it, hasn’t he?

Jose Mesa 1987, 1990-2007 1st nope

Jack Morris 1977-94 14th no way

Dale Murphy 1976-93 15th nuh-uh

Rafael Palmeiro 1986-2005 3rd woops

Mike Piazza 1992-2007 1st there’s no way he didn’t

Tim Raines 1979-2002 6th nuh-uh

Reggie Sanders 1991-2007 1st probably

Curt Schilling 1988-2007 1st ABSOLUTELY

Aaron Sele 1993-2007 1st Really, Aaron Sele? Who screens this shit?

Lee Smith 1980-97 11th no

Sammy Sosa 1988-2005, 2007 1st Moot

Mike Stanton 1989-2007 1st doubt it?

Alan Trammell 1977-96 12th not a chance

Larry Walker 1989-2005 3rd I hope not…but man…some good numbers…yikes

Todd Walker 1996-2007 1st pfft

David Wells 1987-2007 1st among other things?

Rondell White 1996-2007 1st no

Bernie Williams 1991-2006 2nd no

Woody Williams 1993-2007 1st YES

[Booche]

Yeah that's precisely the problem, trying to determine who was clean and who wasn't. Do you simply forgo the entire era as dirty and make assumptions they all were? Or do the voters look to Mark McGuire's and Palmeiro's of the world?

You wouldn't believe how much I loved watching Barry Bonds and defended his at bat abilities, to the point I used to say he was the most underrated MLB'er prior to his ascension, but I still wouldn't vote him in. Same goes for the other 2 in this story.

[Kanada Kev]

As long as Pete Rose ain't eligible for a gambling issue, then the pill-poppin' juicers/cheaters like Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, etc. shouldn't get in IMHO.

Seriously, THIS is not in the HoF?

Rose, a switch hitter, is the all-time Major League leader in hits (4,256), games played (3,562), at-bats (14,053) and outs (10,328).[1] He won three World Series rings, three batting titles, one Most Valuable Player Award, two Gold Gloves, the Rookie of the Year Award, and made 17 All-Star appearances at an unequaled five different positions (2B, LF, RF, 3B & 1B).

[Booche]

You cant use Pete Rose in this argument because he has been banned from baseball. The players in question have not.

[Kanada Kev]

But that's where the bs stinks. So, betting on baseball while actively IN baseball is a no-no, but players using performance enhancing drugs to gain unfair advantage over non-cheaters is OK and can be rewarded with entry into the HoF.

It stinks like disco performers being in a ROCK n ROLL HoF

Oh, and they are in a position to re-instate Rose's eligibility from what I've read.

[Jaimoe]

Schilling doesn't deserve to go in before Morris. Both are worthy though.The main reason Jack's

not in is that he didn't talk to the media and the scribes do the voting. Morris's numbers are better in many categories, although no Cy Youngs. Heck, the dominant pitchers in the AL in the 80s and 90s are overlooked.

Edited November 30, 2012 by Guest

[Hal Johnson]

I'd pick Morris over Schilling too. Just for clarity's sake, in my list I was trying to decide whether or not I thought the guy took steroids, not if i thought he should be in the hall.

But ya, total mess they have there. Have no idea what they're gonna do!