ggrtrhhrtgg Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 and the Who??ya, they have really had alot of influence on culture, politics.... my just look at all them whoheads??? Hey Jaimoe, Are you going to take that statement about U2 sitting down? Come on let us know what you think about The Who vs. The Grateful Dead. I love both bands. Neither band are really deeply political. The Who had a real connection with youth, albeit one was about fashion. The Dead were about counter-culture and hippies. One was about power, volume, anger, concepts and humour. The other about transcendental jams, expression, freedom and Americana. Now, Who2 vs The Dead. God help us all! neither are really deep politically??? I guess I would ask do you mean--they are not directly involved in politics?? Because, in that case I would agree with you.. however, I think the fact that a band that represents one of the most influential counter cultures would = political influence. Remember, in this scene-- whether you like to admit it or not, the Grateful Dead is the chicken that laid the egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted November 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 Remember, in this scene...... and that's the key concept right there. context is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 I agree with that Marco--- in all honesty, there is no real measure of "greatness" as to who is better/greater, its all subjective... You can make an argument for alot of bands... I must say, I have really enjoyed this and the Beatles thread, I like a good debate, I like to learn more about bands, and this has been a good conductor of such activity... interesting to see everyone's alliances, I can only imagine how much all of you love your personal favourite band---Cause man I am completely in love with the Dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted November 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 I agree with that Marco--- in all honesty, there is no real measure of "greatness" as to who is better/greater, its all subjective... You can make an argument for alot of bands... I must say, I have really enjoyed this and the Beatles thread, I like a good debate, I like to learn more about bands, and this has been a good conductor of such activity... interesting to see everyone's alliances, I can only imagine how much all of you love your personal favourite band---Cause man I am completely in love with the Dead. it's been fun. I mean, arguing about the Beatles vs the Dead is like me trying to decide, which do I love more? air or beer? I need them both. I still think the Dead's cultural impact was HUGE but limited, whereas the Beatles was simply HUGE, period, but c'est la vie. I'll just let hamilton bicker with you some more, it's been pretty funny to watch him lose his nut! :: God I'd love to kick him right in the nuts right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 hahaha, ya, I kind of hope these threads don't disappear just yet, God knows I love a good debate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyB Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 it's been fun. I mean, arguing about the Beatles vs the Dead is like me trying to decide, which do I love more? air or beer? I need them both. I still think the Dead's cultural impact was HUGE but limited, whereas the Beatles was simply HUGE, period, but c'est la vie. I'll just let hamilton bicker with you some more, it's been pretty funny to watch him lose his nut! :: God I'd love to kick him right in the nuts right now. The Beatles would be the air and the Grateful Dead would be the beer. You need air more than beer, whether you want to believe it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Quit it with your lies Timmy. There's enough air in the neck of a beer bottle to survive on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 How about the fact that the Dead spearheaded the environmental movement of the late 80s early 90s. Played all sorts of shows for the rainforest action network. Went to very political converences etc. And what is the board museum thing that Mickey sits on now? Some sort of musical archive type deal in Washington chronicalling all American and folk type music or something. And I already mentioned Barlow's Electronic Frontier Foundation. That all kicks ass. IMO. The tape trading community that the Dead spawned was their greatest influence...I'd say there'd be no Instant Live, Etree, BitTorrent or P2P had this not have happened. As for U2 I don't know how they got mixed up in all of this, but Bono's campaigning for Debt Relief sort of stands up better against the Dead doing a Hell's Angels fundraiser. I think the Angels are cool but people are spewing alot of tripe about the Dead having political influence, and that somehow that is a requisite to earning a title that is overtly opinionated?! I don't get it really. Like, you could joke about it or you could be a goof and try and pull out all of your annotated references to prove my opinion sucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 ...and the radicals they rant and rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevO Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Quit it with your lies Timmy. There's enough air in the neck of a beer bottle to survive on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted November 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 How about the fact that the Dead spearheaded the environmental movement of the late 80s early 90s. Played all sorts of shows for the rainforest action network. Went to very political converences etc.And what is the board museum thing that Mickey sits on now? Some sort of musical archive type deal in Washington chronicalling all American and folk type music or something. And I already mentioned Barlow's Electronic Frontier Foundation....... That all kicks ass. IMO. And I agree The Dead were active in some righteous causes and did indeed kick ass, but I hardly think they "spearheaded" the environmental movement, nor does their one Rainforest benefit concert on September 24, 1988 (MSG, NYC) constitute a seismic cultural shift of awareness towards a dedicated cause, presss conferences in support of that show and all.I don't want to discount their awareness and the impact this had on the culture that aligned themselves to them but let's be careful not to overdo things.Mickey Hart is on the board of trustees for the Library of Congress' "American Folklife Center". His website has more info on that. It is non-aligned politically.And yes, Tim, thank you. Air is more important than beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyB Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Deadheads like to overdo things haven't you figured that out yet MarcO? Air! Air! Air! Air! And no I don't mean the French duo Air, even I'll admit that the Grateful Dead are greater then those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Timmy, you have to realize that your opinion is not worth an atom of an i-o-ta more than anyone else. Keep that in mind, your opinion that and the Beatles are greater is not the universal answer. There are a number of people that believe that the Grateful are the greatest band ever... and that ain't gonna change. :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted November 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Timmy, you have to realize that your opinion is not worth an atom of an i-o-ta more than anyone else. Yes it is, because he makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 ok, please share with me why the "Beatles are a GREATER BAND" than the Dead? its a subjective question. come on lad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ggrtrhhrtgg Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Alabama Getaway Alice D Millionaire Alligator Althea At A Siding Attics Of My Life Barbed Wire Whipping Party Believe It Or Not Bertha Bird Song Black Peter Black Throated Wind Black Muddy River Blow Away Blues For Allah Born Cross Eyed Box Of Rain Brokedown Palace Brown Eyed Women Built To Last Candyman Casey Jones Cassidy Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) Childhood's End China Cat Sunflower China Doll Chinatown Shuffle Comes A Time Corrina Cosmic Charlie Crazy Fingers Cream Puff War Cryptical Envelopment Cumberland Blues Dark Star Day Job Days Between Deal Dire Wolf Doin' That Rag Don't Need Love Dupree's Diamond Blues Easy Wind Easy To Love You Easy Answers The Eleven Equinox Estimated Prophet Eternity Eyes Of The World Far From Me The Faster We Go The Rounder We Get Feel Like A Stranger Fire On The Mountain Foolish Heart France Franklin's Tower Friend Of The Devil From The Heart Of Me Gentlemen, Start Your Engines The Golden Road (To Unlimited Devotion) Greatest Story Ever Told He's Gone Heaven Help The Fool Hell In A Bucket Help On The Way Here Comes Sunshine High Time I Will Take You Home I Need A Miracle If The Shoe Fits If I Had The World To Give It Must Have Been The Roses Jack Straw Just A Little Light King Solomon's Marbles Lady With A Fan Lazy Lightnin' Lazy River Road Let Me Sing Your Blues Away Let It Grow Liberty Looks Like Rain Loose Lucy Loser Lost Sailor Mason's Children Maybe You Know Mexicali Blues Might As Well Milkin' The Turkey Mission In The Rain Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodleloo Mister Charlie Money, Money Mountains Of The Moon The Music Never Stopped My Brother Esau Never Trust A Woman New Potato Caboose New Speedway Boogie Operator The Other One Passenger Picasso Moon Playin' In The Band Pride Of Cucamonga Quadlibet For Tender Feet Ramble On Rose Reuben And Cerise Revolutionary Hamstrung Blues Ripple Rosemary Row Jimmy Sage And Spirit Saint Of Circumstance Saint Stephen Samba In The Rain Scarlet Begonias Shakedown Street Ship Of Fools Slipknot So Many Roads Stagger Lee Standing On The Moon Stella Blue The Stranger (Two Souls In Communion) Stronger Than Dirt Sugar Magnolia Sugaree Sunshine Daydream Sunrise Supplication Tennessee Jed Terrapin Flyer Terrapin Station Terrapin Transit That's It For The Other One They Love Each Other Throwing Stones Till The Morning Comes To Lay Me Down Tons Of Steel Touch Of Grey Truckin' Two Souls In Communion U.S.Blues Unbroken Chain Uncle John's Band Victim Or The Crime Wave To The Wind Wave That Flag Way To Go Home We Can Run We Leave The Castle Weather Report Suite Prelude Weather Report Suite Part 1 Weather Report Suite Part 2 see Let It Grow West L.A. Fadeaway Wharf Rat What's Become Of The Baby The Wheel When Push Comes To Shove Your point is??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 this is basically like arguing that Booche is sexier than MarcO... its kind of subjective to taste... I've had more exposure to MarcO in my day, but that makes Booche more mysterious I'm with guigs, one day The Slip are going to make both The Beatles and The Grateful Dead embarassed they ever called themselves bands (and I heard they dosed during infancy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 TASTE'S GREAT! LESS FILLING!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Alabama Getaway Alice D Millionaire Alligator Althea At A Siding Attics Of My Life Barbed Wire Whipping Party Believe It Or Not Bertha Bird Song Black Peter Black Throated Wind Black Muddy River Blow Away Blues For Allah Born Cross Eyed Box Of Rain Brokedown Palace Brown Eyed Women Built To Last Candyman Casey Jones Cassidy Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) Childhood's End China Cat Sunflower China Doll Chinatown Shuffle Comes A Time Corrina Cosmic Charlie Crazy Fingers Cream Puff War Cryptical Envelopment Cumberland Blues Dark Star Day Job Days Between Deal Dire Wolf Doin' That Rag Don't Need Love Dupree's Diamond Blues Easy Wind Easy To Love You Easy Answers The Eleven Equinox Estimated Prophet Eternity Eyes Of The World Far From Me The Faster We Go The Rounder We Get Feel Like A Stranger Fire On The Mountain Foolish Heart France Franklin's Tower Friend Of The Devil From The Heart Of Me Gentlemen, Start Your Engines The Golden Road (To Unlimited Devotion) Greatest Story Ever Told He's Gone Heaven Help The Fool Hell In A Bucket Help On The Way Here Comes Sunshine High Time I Will Take You Home I Need A Miracle If The Shoe Fits If I Had The World To Give It Must Have Been The Roses Jack Straw Just A Little Light King Solomon's Marbles Lady With A Fan Lazy Lightnin' Lazy River Road Let Me Sing Your Blues Away Let It Grow Liberty Looks Like Rain Loose Lucy Loser Lost Sailor Mason's Children Maybe You Know Mexicali Blues Might As Well Milkin' The Turkey Mission In The Rain Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodleloo Mister Charlie Money, Money Mountains Of The Moon The Music Never Stopped My Brother Esau Never Trust A Woman New Potato Caboose New Speedway Boogie Operator The Other One Passenger Picasso Moon Playin' In The Band Pride Of Cucamonga Quadlibet For Tender Feet Ramble On Rose Reuben And Cerise Revolutionary Hamstrung Blues Ripple Rosemary Row Jimmy Sage And Spirit Saint Of Circumstance Saint Stephen Samba In The Rain Scarlet Begonias Shakedown Street Ship Of Fools Slipknot So Many Roads Stagger Lee Standing On The Moon Stella Blue The Stranger (Two Souls In Communion) Stronger Than Dirt Sugar Magnolia Sugaree Sunshine Daydream Sunrise Supplication Tennessee Jed Terrapin Flyer Terrapin Station Terrapin Transit That's It For The Other One They Love Each Other Throwing Stones Till The Morning Comes To Lay Me Down Tons Of Steel Touch Of Grey Truckin' Two Souls In Communion U.S.Blues Unbroken Chain Uncle John's Band Victim Or The Crime Wave To The Wind Wave That Flag Way To Go Home We Can Run We Leave The Castle Weather Report Suite Prelude Weather Report Suite Part 1 Weather Report Suite Part 2 see Let It Grow West L.A. Fadeaway Wharf Rat What's Become Of The Baby The Wheel When Push Comes To Shove Your point is??? Not that I am participating in arguing who is a better band,since I don't really care what ya'll like,love or listen to. In all fairness if its all about the number of songs.... A Beginning A Day In The Life A Hard Day's Night A Shot Of Rhythm and Blues A Taste Of Honey Across The Universe Act Naturally Ain't She Sweet All I've Got To Do All My Loving All Things Must Pass All Together Now All You Need Is Love And I Love Her And Your Bird Can Sing Anna (Go To Him) Another Girl Any Time At All Ask Me Why Baby It's You Baby You're A Rich Man Baby's In Black Back In The USSR Bad Boy Because Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite Besame Mucho Birthday Blackbird Blue Jay Way Boys Can't Buy Me Love Carol Carry That Weight Cayenne Chains Clarabella Come And Get It Come Together Cry Baby Cry Cry For A Shadow Crying Waiting Hoping Day Tripper Dear Prudence Devil In Her Heart Dig A Pony Dig It Dizzy Miss Lizzie Do You Want To Know A Secret Doctor Robert Don’t Pass Me By Don't Bother Me Don't Ever Change Don't Let Me Down Drive My Car Eight Days A Week Eleanor Rigby Every Little Thing Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby Fixing A Hole Flying For No One For You Blue Free As A Bird From Me To You Get Back Getting Better Girl Glad All Over Glass Onion Golden Slumbers Good Day Sunshine Good Morning Good Morning Good Night Got To Get You Into My Life Hallelujah, I Love Her So Happiness Is A Warm Gun Hello Goodbye Hello Little Girl Help! Helter Skelter Her Majesty Here Comes The Sun Here, There, And Everywhere Hey Bulldog Hey Jude Hippy Hippy Shake Hold Me Tight Honey Don't Honey Pie How Do You Do It I Am The Walrus I Call Your Name I Don't Want To Spoil The Party I Feel Fine I Forgot To Remember To Forget I Got A Woman I Got To Find My Baby I Just Don't Understand I Me Mine I Need You I Saw Her Standing There I Should Have Known Better I Wanna Be Your Man I Want To Hold Your Hand I Want To Tell You I Want You (She's So Heavy) I Will If I Fell If I Needed Someone If You've Got Trouble I'll Be Back I'll Be On My Way I'll Cry Instead I'll Follow The Sun I'll Get You I'm A Loser I'm Down I'm Gonna Sit Right Down And Cry (Over You) I'm Happy Just To Dance With You I'm Looking Through You I'm Only Sleeping I'm So Tired In My Life In Spite Of All The Danger It Won't Be Long It's All Too Much It's Only Love I've Got A Feeling I've Just Seen A Face Johnny B. Goode Julia Junk Kansas City/Hey Hey Hey Hey Keep Your Hands Off My Baby Komm Gib Mir Deine Hand Lady Madonna Leave My Kitten Alone Lend Me Your Comb Let It Be Like Dreamers Do Little Child Lonesome Tears In My Eyes Long Long Long Long Tall Sally Love Me Do Love Of The Loved Love You To Lovely Rita Lucille Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds Maggie Mae Magical Mystery Tour Mailman, Bring Me No More Blues Martha My Dear Matchbox Maxwell's Silver Hammer Mean Mr. Mustard Memphis, Tennessee Michelle Misery Money (That's What I Want) Moonlight Bay Mother Nature's Son Mr. Moonlight My Bonnie No Reply Nobody's Child Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) Not A Second Time Not Guilty Nothin' Shakin' Nowhere Man Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da Octopus's Garden Oh! Darling Old Brown Shoe One After 909 Only A Northern Song Ooh! My Soul P.S. I Love You Paperback Writer Penny Lane Piggies Please Mr. Postman Please Please Me Polythene Pam Rain Real Love Revolution Revolution 1 Revolution 9 Rip It Up/Shake, Rattle and Roll/Blue Suede Shoes Rock And Roll Music Rocky Raccoon Roll Over Beethoven Run For Your Life Savoy Truffle Searchin' September In The Rain Sexy Sadie Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) She Came In Through The Bathroom Window She Loves You She Said She Said She's A Woman She's Leaving Home Shout Sie Liebt Dich Slow Down So How Come (No One Loves Me) Soldier Of Love Some Other Guy Something Step Inside Love/Los Paranoias Strawberry Fields Forever Sun King Sure To Fall (In Love With You) Sweet Georgia Brown Sweet Little Sixteen Take Good Care Of My Baby Take Out Some Insurance On Me Baby Taxman Teddy Boy Tell Me What You See Tell Me Why Thank You Girl That Means A Lot That'll Be The Day That's All Right (Mama) The Ballad Of John And Yoko The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill The End The Fool On The Hill The Honeymoon Song The Inner Light The Long And Winding Road The Night Before The Saints The Sheik Of Araby The Word There's A Place Things We Said Today Think For Yourself This Boy Three Cool Cats Ticket To Ride Till There Was You To Know Her Is To Love Her Tomorrow Never Knows Too Much Monkey Business Twist And Shout Two Of Us Wait We Can Work It Out What Goes On What You're Doing What's The New Mary Jane When I Get Home When I'm Sixty-Four While My Guitar Gently Weeps Why Why Don't We Do It In The Road Wild Honey Pie With A Little Help From My Friends Within You Without You Words Of Love Yellow Submarine Yer Blues Yes It Is Yesterday You Can't Do That You Know My Name (Look Up The Number) You Know What To Do You Like Me Too Much You Never Give Me Your Money You Really Got A Hold On Me You Won't See Me You'll Be Mine Young Blood Your Mother Should Know You're Going To Lose That Girl You've Got To Hide Your Love Away Now,your point was? Dylan smokes em both anyway. :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 That it is all subjective... check previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Obviously, ya'll beat to a different drum. I love the Dead more than just about anybody, but holy fu©k. Hell, I love them more than I love the Beatles! This experiment is getting as old as my balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 That it is all subjective... check previous post. Then the point of posting the entire song list for the second time was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 *sniff* beautiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyB Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 "Corrina" wasn't written by the Grateful Dead. I believe it's a Taj Mahal song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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