Swifty Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 What equipment does the best job recreating the concert? What sources should I stay away from?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 On your computer or in your living room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty Posted February 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 What sources should I download? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarfmaster C Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 good question swifty. i'm in the dark about not only the sources, but all the stages in between. is there a reference somewhere for all the abbreviations folks use? or do i just need to be familiar with all the equipment and software used for it to make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooly Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 AKG and Shoepps are good sounding mics in my opinion,,, dont take it for the right one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\/\/illy Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 I prefer soundboards and matrix (soundboard and mics) recordings. Other than that, I just look for shows that look interesting. I always listen to them on my computer before burning them. That way, if they're junk, I just delete them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooly Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 yeah willy i do the same but man every show sounds like shit coming out of my computer speakers, but they sound great coming out my stereo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shainhouse Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 aren't B&K's the most expensive mics? It fully depends on the type of recording device, the location, crowd noise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooly Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 man the boston fleet 20th show i have, the crowd ruins the show man, i now have 2 shiney new coasters but the dave n trey show taped from 4rth row sounds sweet, i thought the dave n friends woulda sounded like shit being that close, on the floor,, lots of crowd etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondtube Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 neummans i believe are considered the best mics, but are the hardest to use, so unless you know what yoru doing, you get a crappy recording. i think scheops are the most forgiving... akg are good entry level mics....excellent quality for price. but most imporant is mic position and type of room. one of my favorite shows i own is the AT Oysterhead source taped by Train. Those mics are just about the cheapest entry level mics around... if you have any individual questions about source or transfer, ask here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tungsten Gruvsten Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 actually, a pair of Neumann's, Schoeps or B&K's(DPA's) would hit you over $3000...some well over that. AKG makes a wide range of mics, the ones typically used for taping(SE300/CK91's or 451's) are high end small diaphragm. AT does the same, with newer higher end offerings(4040, 4033 etc) as well as their lower range stuff. Small diaphragm mics(schoeps, AKG SE300/91's, octava 012) tend to be less bass heavy and exhibit less bass-build up than large diaphragm mics(Neumann U89, ADK 51's, AKG 414's) Small diaphragms are also more accurate in regards to high end detail/transients...ie cymbals. but that's all just jibber jabber...Stube's right about the mic position and room...also the polar pattern of the mics used and if it's right for the venue... Most live taping doesn't allow for 'testing' ie trying something and listening to the playback....unfortunate as that really basically leaves it up to good intentions and luck. Skill doesn't come into play if you have no idea what you're mics are 'hearing' and you won't without a separate room to hear them in. (mmmmm remote truck) Explains why people throw so much money at good mic's, as the more costly they are usually equates better accuracy. But, sometimes hypercardioids or shotgun mics are the best as they are very directional and pointed at the speakers, they pick up what the speaker stacks are putting out...other times a mic in omni that pics up the whole room and vibe is best....sometimes non-accurate mics can smooth out problems that high-end mics accentuate. I've noticed even the best mics can sound bad in the wrong place...If the sound system is poorly mixed or bass heavy or the room sucks(think arenas in general...lots to overcome) or the stereo spread of the mics is to small/great for the venue. Other times there are limiting factors like stand height, tapers section placement etc...lots can go wrong, it's a game of chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weirdness Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 OK. Here's a list of what would be considered to be an acceptable microphone source for any given show. Doesn't mean it's going to be the shit, but chances are you're going to do alright. For arena shows, note that the MK41/CMC6 and CCM41 tend to sound best, as they more directional and reject more crowd noise. Soundfield ST-250-Check out the onstage Kimock sources done on this one--THE SHIT. B&K/DPA4011/4021/4022/4023 For stealth shows: DPA4060/4061 AKA HEB Schoeps MK4/CMC6, MK41/CMC6**(best source for anything far back, like an arena type show), CCM4, **CCM41(same as above) Neumann SKM140(or KM140, or AK40/50>KM100), TLM170, U87, U89, KM184 Gefell MG200/MG210 Earthworks SR77/SR78 AKG C460/C480 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondtube Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 The Mike Vernal's recording of 12/30/99 Big Cypress, using his Earthworks SR77, is the best audience recording i've ever heard, from any mic. better than the fob neumanns and schoeps sources that exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty Posted February 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backbacon Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 quote:Originally posted by earthfreak: is there a reference somewhere for all the abbreviations folks use? or do i just need to be familiar with all the equipment and software used for it to make sense? Check this out: http://www.moelinks.com/random/source/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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