djmelbatoast Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Bob Rae wasn't all that bad. The unions were just cry babies and didn't want to work one day a month for free. They said, "We'll show that prick and vote for Harris". Then he laid them all off.I think that Harper is worse then Harris. I think he is worse then Campbell.Maybe I should move to Iceland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djmelbatoast Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Did you see the report by the Seirra Club last election that rated the parties on their enviromental policy? The Bloc were first, NDP second, Green third, liberals fourth and Conservatives dead last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Just look at the devil/hitler references that fly rampant around this place-- that's exactly what the libs want you to think. i'm sure there's going to be some pretty strong anti-harper stuff that they've yet to unleash and i'm not looking forward to watching everyone eat it all up. I'll step forward as a guilty party here, but that's only because I'm a bit stuck on the idea that we're not that historically distanced from what happened then and there (it's not yet even been a century), and I keep returning to the idea that something as totally appalling could happen again, and who thinks themselves more important than the US. Germany in the 1920s was the heart of European high culture, sophisticated, tolerant, and diverse. What happened, they suddenly got possessed or something? Aliens kidnapped their brains? No, systemic crises and changes happened, radical political dualities formed, and the winning party tapped into people's need to treat one another instrumentally while catering to their worst and most visceral paranoias. Scares the fuck out of me enough to keep coming back to it when I see the same sorts of rhetoric thrown around (see Hux's collection of quotes yesterday, e.g.). DEM you posted that article about the guys on trial for the memo leak and posted about how the US administration tries to shut down "with extreme prejudice" sources of alternate viewpoints. Aren't we all really doing the same? . Shy of any of us coming at any of us others with an MX missile and then making a 20-second soundbite about it on the 6:00 news, no . I live for this kind of debate. The libs ask for pardons for adscam, the conservatives ask for pardons for some extreme right wingers. Everyone should just step back and grant them the pardons. No they shouldn't! Those fat bastards of Adscam should rot in jail, and the extreme righters should piss off to some island somewhere where they can rant and rave about their own insecurities without ruining anyone else's day. Whatever you do, make sure your vote is cast for what you believe in your heart and don't vote in spite. all that does is make you a 'spiteful' person and dude.. karma will get you in the end. Yes ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 (edited) I'll step forward as a guilty party here, but that's only because I'm a bit stuck on the idea that we're not that historically distanced from what happened then and there (it's not yet even been a century), and I keep returning to the idea that something as totally appalling could happen again, and who thinks themselves more important than the US. Germany in the 1920s was the heart of European high culture, sophisticated, tolerant, and diverse. What happened, they suddenly got possessed or something? Aliens kidnapped their brains? No, systemic crises and changes happened, radical political dualities formed, and the winning party tapped into people's need to treat one another instrumentally while catering to their worst and most visceral paranoias. Scares the fuck out of me enough to keep coming back to it when I see the same sorts of rhetoric thrown around (see Hux's collection of quotes yesterday, e.g.). (i took out a bunch of stuff here about inflation, etc. etc. that after rereading what you wrote, am pretty sure you already knew ) when hitler came into power he was scarred.. sitting in a jail cell and watching the country you love fall to pieces would do that to you and he was a certifiable pyscho, which further complicated matters. luckily for canada we're not boggled down with war debt and harper, as much as the libs try to paint him out to be, ain't hitler. however, the USA is another story and from time to time even i can see a horn or two popping out of George's head. but you've got to know he hasn't been sitting in a jail cell watching his country fall to pieces... the person we need to watch out for is his successor. still even though it's fun to sit down and think about this stuff and to form conspiracy theories and think of the craziness of things that could happen, 9.999999 times out of 10 it's that we've smoked too much pot and have let ourselves get too carried away. Edited January 12, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 9.999999 times out of 10 it's that we've smoked too much pot and have let ourselves get too carried away. The rest of what you said aside, do you seriously think that smoking marijuana causes people to come up with crazy conspiracy theories; or was that meant to be facetious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 (edited) a little facetious.i can attest for myself and normally when i'm high i get carried away with my thoughts and go off on tangents and then look back at it all sober and think 'whoa man, i went off on a tangent'.edit to add: more to say - i guess when i get high, i like to sit around and think up conspiracy theories and stuff like that and then my soberness drops me back down a notch. Edited January 12, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 The only reason I commented is that I have met all sorts of ignorami who come up with crazy "symptoms" of marijuana use.I may not be an expert on smoking pot, but I tend to try to dispell misconceptions about "taboos" in our world when possible. I appreciate your clarification, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 i don't know if it's been mentioned but these new liberal ads are fucking outrageous. all of them, but especially the harper is gw's best friend. we've already been warned by the american ambasador not to involve US politics in the election here. and i think that they were right to do that. the libs better PRAY they don't get elected cause they're fuckin souring any relationship they have now. those ads are pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 luckily for canada we're not boggled down with war debt and harper, as much as the libs try to paint him out to be, ain't hitler. That's why these sorts of comparisons are impossible unless qualified to death, which I should always know I don't have the time in the day for, but all I was trying to get at is that's it's not unthinkable for people to rally behind a strong man and his lot whose distasteful social policies might be written off as weird or quaint and hopefully not amount to much over time. Otherwise these kinds of things are hopelessly historically conditioned, and history just can't be compared like that, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 i hear you. harper has some pretty whacked out policies. but then again middle of the ground policy is whacked out for others. i guess it boils down to how you were raised. even considering how crazy some of his politics may be, i don't think we need to really fear much. i just don't think the psychosis is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 I think voting Green Party, albeit with good intentions, is one of the most irresponsible things you could do with your vote. Just gives the Conservatives a better chance.And a 2 party system sucks why? I'm goin Green this year too, stick to your guns Tooly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Vote for whoever you want to. You may not believe that it counts but it will in subsequent elections. Support is support and if you stick with who you believe will do the best job eventually you may be the tide turner. Strategic voting is the founding hegemony of the wealthy politicians of this nation. It keeps support in their pockets and keeps the masses fearful of difference and politically immobilized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatpatguy Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 something to think about is that when you CHOOSE YOUR CANADA you are ultimately GETTING RESULTS FOR PEOPLE. And if anyone can STAND UP FOR CANADA surely WE CAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Without a doubt, the most important thing to do is actually vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatpatguy Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 if you don't vote you can't bitch.. that's the rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogieknight Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 I recently read somewhere that the Green Party is being investigated by elections canada link to article Normally, I would vote socialist but last time and this time I will be voting liberals. If the consevatives were in power for 9/11 we would be at war in Iraq and part of the "coalition of the willing". That alone is enough to make me want to keep the conservative out of office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 I am in the same boat as boogie. It is more important to me that the Conservatives are NOT in power than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 meh. I'd rather use my vote for who i want than who i don't. The beauty of a democracy is that we have the freedom to choose i guess, regardless of who wins, freedom kicks ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 me too schwa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 I am in the same boat as boogie. It is more important to me that the Conservatives are NOT in power than anything else.Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timouse Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 I think voting Green Party' date=' albeit with good intentions, is one of the most irresponsible things you could do with your vote. Just gives the Conservatives a better chance.[/quote']And a 2 party system sucks why? I'm goin Green this year too, stick to your guns Tooly. yay schwa! niffermouse and i have been voting green for a long time, and they are getting themselves together as a party, i suspect based on funding they received from their share of the last popular vote. we both plan to vote green again. ideologically they are the only ones making sense, and in terms of candidate analysis, the PC guy is a greezy biz-knob, the NDP guy is nice enough but got flattened last time and will again this time. the liberal is new and has not yet sent me his literature... go greens!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timouse Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 I recently read somewhere that the Green Party is being investigated by elections canada link to article Normally, I would vote socialist but last time and this time I will be voting liberals. If the consevatives were in power for 9/11 we would be at war in Iraq and part of the "coalition of the willing". That alone is enough to make me want to keep the conservative out of office.jim harris was on the cbc this morning and addressed this complaint. the person who filed the complaint was "fired with cause" from party management, and the greens have been open with their fiscal info.vote quimby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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