well, pre-October 14 means nothing to me because things are so vastly different to me now. I don't think a Coalition can run in an election as a coalition, for the reasons I stated above. How could a local Liberal Riding Association nominate a Liberal to run against a NDP when they are in cahoots? Conversely, how could the NDP and Liberal Riding Associations come to an agreement (nevermind it probably being against Riding / party constitutions) as to who would run? What about the rank and file of the party who don't agree with this? This is all off the top of my head while on a conference call for work, so apologies if it's not all fleshed out, but it's the tip of the iceberg I believe........ Can-o-phish, I know you follow your local scene in Guelph fairly closely (or maybe i am confusing you with someone else, apologies if that is the case), are people at the local level having any of the concerns that I just wrote about, or is it too soon?