I'm not saying lie. You're entiltled to your opinion, and I'm entilted to an opinion of your opinion, as well as my own independant opinion, which may or may not have similar criticizims as your opinion (we can see the same thing from a different point of view). I love discourse... It's just the meaning of a word is it's use, and I'm trying to find out what you mean. I love semantics! But is this really the forum for this? Lets just agree there were creepy guys there. But it's not like us to turn away people at the door just cause we don't like the way they look... next time, if they are giving you a problem, speak to the staff, cause if they are breaking the rules, we can get rid of them.