d_rawk Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 I, for one, happen to love shallow pop culture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 I, for one, happen to love shallow pop culture There really wasn't much substance to the mod movement. No political agenda or purposeful youth-driven angst. I too love the mod scene for what it was: cool fashions and some great bands, including my all-time favourite: The Who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodRev Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Er, if it's worth anything, I read something about The Who and their alignment with mods, whether the supposed alignment was imposed upon them or they chose to do so, I'm not sure. Roger Daltrey's pronounced stutter throughout My Generation is supposed to me either a nod or a jab at the mods, whose drug of choice was speed, causing them to stutter occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 And I can see Rog giving the mods a jab too. The Who weren't fully Townshend's band at the time of the recording of My Generation, and Roger wasn't a drug user. Also, The Who's record company, management and perhaps the music media to some extent wanted The Who to embrace the mod scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 hmm, so for the sake of discussion - lets explore the difference between the mod scene of drugs, friends, fashion and music to say... the jamband scene. 1, 2, 3 Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 At least mods bathed whilst rebelling against the man, unlike some members of the jamband scene... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 if you're looking at time period, bebop had its heyday into the mid 50's...that was the beginnings of the beat era. of course, 15 years was still fresh, but as far as the beats go the west coast 'cool' sound was a lot more beat. lent itself to poetry more. bebop is for sure punchier and quicker...but not the same flow. if you're not picky...'jazz' was the sountrack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_rawk Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Awesome, thanks for the clarification Canned Beats.I guess I was thinking of the music inspiring the core group in their early work, references to 'wild horns' and such in their manic pursuit of extreme experiences, etc..As far as the soundtrack to the subsequent scene or subculture - especially the public readings and performance aspect of it all (snap snap snap) - yeah, cool jazz makes a lot of sense.[Edited to add:]I can't believe this thread hasn't gone down the Beats/Cassady->Merry Pranksters/Cassady->Grateful Dead route yet ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I think it just did ... ... and the speed-freak, Neil Cassady (who wrote at least two fairly bad books about the era; one being a diary while he was in prison) was one of the original Beatniks, who was also the driver of the Furthr bus. That, of course, was the bus that drove around the United States with Ken Kesey (author of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) and the Merry Pranksters, spreading the (then legal) LSD to the youth; holding the "Electric Kool Aid Acid Tests". The Dead (at that time called The Warlocks) played those "acid tests" and those were some of the first Dead shows... How's that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_rawk Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 How's that? Excellent. You da man. `There are going to be times when we can't wait for somebody. Now you're either on the bus or off the bus. If you're on the bus, and you get left behind, then you'll find it again. If you're off the bus in the first place--then it won't make a damn.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bokonon Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 i already knew a little about the beatniks from doing a project on ginsberg in highschool. i really love the poetry that came out of that era, and all of the prose i have read too. i just thought that the mods in england were almost the same thing, just that they were in england. but now i am starting to get a clearer picture that this is not true at all. i still think it's a bunch of people trying to form their identity around something that isn't real. i mean, you can write like a beat as much as you want but you don't have to dress that way and hang out with other beats to be able to write good poetry. it's just conforming with a group that's different from the mainstream. it's still conformity no matter how you colour it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_rawk Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Hiya bok --I know what you mean, I think. I hang out with the jamband crowd often and love the music and just about everybody in it, but feel more comfortable with new york chic than tiedye -- resulting, at times, in that feeling of being the new kid at school.I don't think the writers of the beat generation all dressed the same (consciously, anyways. I'm not sure that they had the money or inclination to care what they were wearing) and I'm not sure it wasn't real (mythologized, certainly, but they largely lived it). I do see what you're saying about the stereotypical group of kids that developed a subculture around them ... but I still feel as stated in a post above ... it's pretty high praise, and people tend to form their identities around the things that influence them, and those identities shift in interesting ways as the influences do. *shrug*And sometimes you just need a place to dance and blow off steam with like minded people.Anyways, I'm gonna crawl back into lurk mode for awhile so I can get some stuff done.[For you bokonon:]CassadyDean Cody Nealsilver plate of every photgraphic memoryof long Frisco nightsswaggering home at dawn after hours ofdigging mad cats blow wail bop highon wine benny Tglazed-eyed Bodhisattvasphilosophizing about the moonhaving found ITof San Jose pulling Southern Pacific brakie jobsbrokehopping freight trains in Nogales, Arizonablanket 'n bottle of whiskey for warmthwrapped shivering in miles of tracks gone bylulled by hopeful murmurs of hoboshitching rides in Shittown, Tennesse, Oklahoma, UtahNew York to Friscoback an' forthof cloudy nights in Denverwhen you'd slacken your stepflick the last of your cigarettehigh into the air watch it explodescatter burning tobacco 'cross avenue asphaltso you could see starsi had peyotl-laced visions of you metwo northern California rancherosmilking the dusty landwild crazy wives and beat visitorsAllen Lucien Billgetting mad kicks digging jazzzigzagged on the floori dreamt of growing old togethersmall hut in Mexicocomposing Proustian masterpiecestimes change we both knowno longer side by side you at the wheeli'm in the backseat of your carsilent you read the roadas i watch you glide over itand all that twisting road and rolling landlooks like a rift now'tween two tempered seas[For the rest -- neo-neo-mod:]http://www.modculture.co.uk/index1.phpNobody start a glam rock thread without me :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bokonon Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 don't go back to lurking, your posts are interesting and fun! lurking's for squares thanks for the poem, that's great stuff and reminds me of some great (and not so great) nights of my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bokonon Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 hey phishy-k, sorry for hijacking your thread!! :: :: :: :: :: :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhishyK Posted February 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 hey phishy-k, sorry for hijacking your thread!! :: :: :: :: :: :: LOL! I think it's awesome, actually ;-) hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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