AD Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 the queen cannot create legislation / laws / ANYTHING though - you're missing the point. The Queen can't do shit. SHe can only inflict her very limited will if a bill makes it all the way through our independent houses of government to her representative and then she can agree or disagree, and the chances of denial are pretty damn slim. hardly a threat to an independent government.do you think that none of the commonwealth nations are independent? over a billion indians would disagree.anyways - i still contend that wales etc are not countries. they can stay on this list fine, but i don't think it's accurate. not that it needs to be. The Commonwealth - (no independence here, nope)Antigua and Barbuda Australia The Bahamas Bangladesh Barbados BelizeBotswana BruneiCameroon CanadaCyprusDominica The Gambia GhanaGrenada Guyana IndiaJamaica Kenya Kiribati Lesotho Malawi Malaysia Maldives Malta Mauritius Mozambique Namibia Nauru New Zealand Nigeria Pakistan Papua NewSaint Kitts and Nevis Saint Lucia)Saint Vincent and the GrenadinesSamoa Seychelles Sierra LeoneSingapore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 i think the definition of country is what's causing confusion. Just doesn't make sense to me that they are all independent countries, but yet they still report to someone higher who was ultimate control over them. Southern Ireland hasn't existed as a legal entity since 1922 Do yourself a favour, don't EVER share these sentiments about these COUNTRIES while visiting these places, it would probably get very messy indeed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 wow, who said that she can create legislation? you seem to be unwilling to acknowledge any merit in the theoretical argument that a legal ability to refuse to pass legislation IS an ability to affect things, however unlikely it might be to actually occur. this is a well situated debate amoung canadian political scientists. when Michaelle Jean was appointed as GG in 2005, nationalists raised concerns about her and her husband's past support for quebec sovereignty wondering whether an alleged separatiste should possess the power of the position. this is not a trivial debate, and an outright dismissal of a contrary viewpoint is disappointing. and yeah, this should be over in the politics forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarahbelle Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 wow we've been all over man!!! yes.. I am the only NZ'r so far lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 they're not sentiments, they're factsWales has 40 Members of Parliament in the UK House of Commons. How are they an independent country? Wales is a nation within the UK, a sovereign state. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland make up the UK, which is the legislative body.You might all be right and I might be wrong about this, but no-one has convinced me yet, and all the digging I've done has only helped my side of the argument so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 you seem to be unwilling to acknowledge any merit in the theoretical argument that a legal ability to refuse to pass legislation IS an ability to affect things, however unlikely it might be to actually occur. SHe can only inflict her very limited will if a bill makes it all the way through our independent houses of government to her representative and then she can agree or disagree, and the chances of denial are pretty damn slim. hardly a threat to an independent government.no, i actually stated it outright - it seems ceremonial and "theoretical" and "unlikely", to use your words. The monarchy couldn't so much as legislate the colour of my shoelaces without it going through many different stages of independent, democratic, wholly Canadian government steps. She can only inflict will, affirmative or negative, if presented with that option from Canada.When is the last time Canada relied on the UK House of Commons for our laws? Wales still does.RE: the GG - Free speech and thought are wonderful. The nationalists should get their heads out of their asses on the GG issue. Oh yeah, it died 2 years ago.this is not a trivial debate, and an outright dismissal of a contrary viewpoint is disappointing. I don't believe I've dismissed anything, I just haven't been convinced otherwise. What have I posted that isn't rooted in fact? Why are you rejecting my statements out of hand with no support? That's disappointing.Direct a Canadian, Welsh, or whatever political scientest to this and see what they say. I'm a lowly geographer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrtrhhrtgg Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 so if the United States decided to invade Canada and take it over, would Canada still be a country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Not if we were deemed the 51st state, as opposed to a colony or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phorbesie Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 (edited) we aren't competing on jeopardy and IMO they count because a) they're considered separate destinations... ie, you don't say "I'm going to the northern part of the UK this summer that used to be called Scotland", and they're distinct cultural locations. (this thread was about traveling if i'm not mistaken?) however, if you're enjoying the debate, do carry on! Edited March 14, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 so if the United States decided to invade Canada and take it over, would Canada still be a country? i have no idea, i'm not dealing in hypotheticals. be best to ask a political scientest. (but if you "take over" something, doesn't that imply that the thing isn't independent anymore?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 we aren't competing on fucking Jeopardy, ferchrissakes, geez.... no need for the fireworksi'm not so much enjoying the debate, but it is interesting to me. i've discussed this with history and political science teachers in the past to no real conclusion, i'm wondering if people here have more insight.i'll shut up if you wanna discuss the travel side of things more, although it's just been people posting lists so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phorbesie Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 was my post offensive? if so i apologize. sorry. i was just messing around...just the way i would speak it, i'm not put out or anything, at all! i can the swears out of my post if they bother ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 wasn't offensive at alljust surprisingno worries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phorbesie Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 i was just being saucymmm gazpacho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Maybe it would be easier to change the title of the thread in order to accommodate Scotland, Wales, et al. Because I agree that within the context of this thread they are distinct entities. So the question is, what do we call these entities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Amsterdams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 So the question is, what do we call these entities. "land masses inhabited by persons who have created good music"? scotland: simple minds, travis, teenage fanclub, the proclaimers, etc. wales: stereophonics, manic street preachers, the alarm, badfinger, etc. northern ireland: the corrs, u2, van morrison, etc. england: nothing good has ever come from england. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 scotland: simple minds, travis, teenage fanclub, the proclaimers, etc.wales: stereophonics, manic street preachers, the alarm, badfinger, etc. the separate country of ireland: the corrs, u2, van morrison, etc. ELVIS COSTELLO england: nothing good has ever come from england. hehe, don't get me started all over again!! my fingers are sore enough from the previous debate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Photogeek Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 scotland: simple minds, travis, teenage fanclub, the proclaimers, etc. wales: stereophonics, manic street preachers, the alarm, badfinger, etc. northern ireland: the corrs, u2, van morrison, etc. england: nothing good has ever come from england. U2 was formed in Dublin I'm pretty sure...which is in the Republic of Ireland which is def. a country. If we're getting picky, I believe a couple of the U2 boys were born in England (the Edge for sure). Also the Corrs were from Dundalk, which although very close to the border with Northern Ireland is still in the Republic...No arguements about Van Morrison though...from Belfast. Oh and AD isn't Elvis Costello born in England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradm Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Oh and AD isn't Elvis Costello born in England?Yup.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_CostelloDeclan Patrick MacManus (born August 25, 1954, in London), better known by his stage name, Elvis Costello, is an English musician, singer, and songwriter of Irish ancestry.Aloha,Brad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YearsAlongTheSea Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Can we call it the U.K. and move on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Photogeek Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 You can call England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland the U.K. if you want... Just Not Ireland please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Photogeek Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Oh and thanks for the back up BradM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 bastards! teaches me to try to be funny here. next you'll be telling me that his real name isnt even Bono! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 BAH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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