Booche Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 He wasnt a Blue Jay at the time so it doesnt matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 He wasnt a Blue Jay at the time so it doesnt matter.I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Well, I wrote 'I think,' so that's my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-O Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 What, no love for Kelly Gruber?I won't vote for Alomar for the same reason AD. Too bad one moment taints an incredible career. For me (I guess I have to write that?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 I got a question for you guys. How does being an Oriole equate to being a Blue Jay?This isnt about the Best Career.Its simply Greatest Blue Jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 I got a question for you guys. How does being an Oriole equate to being a Blue Jay?This isnt about the Best Career.Its simply Greatest Blue Jay.I agree. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 I got a question for you guys. How does being an Oriole equate to being a Blue Jay?This isnt about the Best Career.Its simply Greatest Blue Jay.Exactly, and I'd like to add it isn't about being a personal "favourite" Jay. Barfield was a good player and so was Gruber and The Shaker. But they don't belong in the Top 3 or even Top 5. There seems to be no love for Jimmy Key either. He was a dominant lefty back in the day. He may not be in my Top 3, but he at least deserves a mention. Following Stieb in the lineup gave teams lots of fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 I am basing my vote on baseball skills and what the player brought to the team. Alomar is one of the best of all time at his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 I am basing my vote on baseball skills and what the player brought to the team. Alomar is one of the best of all time at his position.Yes he was. And he's the best clutch playoff hitter in Jays history. Just ask that greasy fuck Dennis Eckersley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Yeah, I keep coming back to Alomar as well. Without him could they really have won back to back World Series? Sure you could make that argument with a number of their players, including 1992 world series mvp Pat Borders, but Alomar was another class of player. Remember this?Devon White...racing back to the warning track...GREAT CATCH UP AGAINST THE WALL!! And the runners pass each other. Pendleton went by Sanders. And now the Blue Jays have Sanders in a rundown with a chance for a triple play! Gruber did not get him! Gruber, insisting to Bob Davidson that he tagged him on the foot and it looked like he did from that angle.God, I used to love baseball so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Those World Series wins for the Jays hold so many great memories for me. Good Good times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 They wouldn't have won in 92 if Alomar didn't hit a 2-run homer off of Eckersley in the AL final. That hit was more impactful than Carter's bomb off of Wild Thing. The Phillies were done when WT came onto the mound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Just ask that greasy fuÇk Dennis Eckersley. The second most important hit in Blue Jays history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Thanks, wikipedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djmelbatoast Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 The Phillies were done when WT came onto the mound.So, there was no tension?The game was already wrapped up?Even if Carter had struck out they still would have won the game, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Personally, I have a hard time putting a closer in the Top 3 on most teams let alone the Jays. Their job is to save games and come in for an inning or two, tops. There's a reason the starters (such as Stieb) have so many wins - a strong closer like Henke or Ward shuts down the other team in the final innings. Just as important a position, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Their job is to save games and come in for an inning or two' date=' tops. [/quote']There's a reason the starters (such as Stieb) have so many wins - a strong closer like Henke or Ward shuts down the other team in the final innings. Just as important a position, IMO.True, but have you checked-out Stieb's complete games and innings pitched record, not to mention his ERA during his peak Jays time? Stieb had 103 complete games and had an overall career 3.44 ERA, which is impressive given he finished a lot of games. Stieb would have an even greater win-loss total and ERA if he didn't have to hand the ball off to pre-Henke aces like Bill Caudill, Roy Lee Jackson and Randy Moffitt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gentlemonkey Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 RANCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted August 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 A strong closer is important, but ya cant credit him with the other guy's wins:http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/080805 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 A strong closer is important, but ya cant credit him with the other guy's wins:http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/080805Pat Hentgen recently said that a closer has no business winning a Cy Young or even be considered as an MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 1. I don't give a shit about what Pat Hentgen says about anything2. I'm not saying Henke or any closer deserves credit for any starter's wins - I'm saying they deserve credit for letting starting pitchers keep their wins. [color:purple]I think that's called a Save.3. Stieb was a great pitcher, you don't have to convince me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted August 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 He researched late-inning leads over 73 seasons, from 1944 to 2003, and an additional 14 seasons prior to that span. What he found is that the winning percentage for teams who enter the ninth inning with a lead has remained virtually unchanged over the decades. Regardless of the pitching strategy, teams entering the ninth inning with a lead win roughly 95 percent of the time. That was the exact rate in 1901 and that was the rate 100 seasons later. He's just saying the save is an overrated stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Shouldn't you be on your way to The Island, AD?Hentgen is one of my favourite Jays because of his dedication and loyalty let alone his solid pitching for the team (a Cy Young is a Cy Young). He still bleeds blue and white too. He's not much different in his love of the Jays than Alvin Williams was and Bosh is with their love of the Raptors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Hentgen is obviously biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Shouldn't you be on your way to The Island, AD?Leaving in a couple hours. Are you coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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