Northern Wish Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 I love pretentious people!"Father can I tell your congregation how a resurrection really feels?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edger Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 I thought the lead singer came off as preachy I say thank god someone is. Rock and roll is rooted in the preacher to congregation call and response and to me too many jambands have taken this out of the mix opting for an introverted approach that can at times be frustrating. You listen to Phish in interviews for instance and these are sharp individuals who have interesting viewpoints' date=' and sometimes I want to hear from the artists and not just have the abstraction of their music speak for them. Just my .02. [/quote'] I think preaching and good songwriting are two entirely different things. Both convey a message, both have the potential to impart their little pearls of wisdom, and I suppose both can be powerful. I 'tend' to personally prefer messages that can be interpreted in many different ways, depending on who you are, space, time, etc. Having said that, I also like a hard-hitting song that just lays it on the line (if what is being laid down is something interesting to chew on). To me The Hold Steady's song "guys go for looks but women go for status" came off as one big cliche, and didn't offer up anything particularly innovative that I hadn't thought about before. I don't think the melody that accompanied that message made up for this in any way. Although I am sure they have better songs if someone wanted to point me towards them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakis Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 I love the hold steady!"There was a stage and a PAup in western Massachusetts.the kids came from miles aroundto get messed up on the music. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeps Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 I thought the lead singer came off as preachy I say thank god someone is. Rock and roll is rooted in the preacher to congregation call and response and to me too many jambands have taken this out of the mix opting for an introverted approach that can at times be frustrating. You listen to Phish in interviews for instance and these are sharp individuals who have interesting viewpoints' date=' and sometimes I want to hear from the artists and not just have the abstraction of their music speak for them. Just my .02. [/quote'] I think preaching and good songwriting are two entirely different things. Both convey a message, both have the potential to impart their little pearls of wisdom, and I suppose both can be powerful. I 'tend' to personally prefer messages that can be interpreted in many different ways, depending on who you are, space, time, etc. Having said that, I also like a hard-hitting song that just lays it on the line (if what is being laid down is something interesting to chew on). To me The Hold Steady's song "guys go for looks but women go for status" came off as one big cliche, and didn't offer up anything particularly innovative that I hadn't thought about before. I don't think the melody that accompanied that message made up for this in any way. Although I am sure they have better songs if someone wanted to point me towards them. I can't help but feel it's the delivery and not the content that's freaking you out, and my opinion is that this delivery is quite overdue, as I am tiring of the enigma that a lot of the Jambands have created, it's actually pretty prevelant in the indie scene too. I say, listen I've got a boring job and I'm out on the weekend fill me up with energy and leave your passive nature for the afternoon set that I'll skip at some festival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Wish Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Try Lord I'm Discouraged, Cheyenne Sunrise, First Night for some slower less preachy songs.As for Girls go for Status, yeah a big cliche but I love how Craig can weave a dirty tale of drugs deception and debauchery buried under a three minute rock ditty.Lyrics to Girls Like Status (I might have screwed some of it up):He was drawn-up in the dark up in Penetration ParkHe says he's got your medicationShe was sitting on the edges of his vision trying to start a revolutionBut he's done with all the parties, he's covered in contusionsYour life leaves life lines, your rug leaves bright bruisesShe said she was cruising but she came back all proud and out of focus with a cool car, drank and broke usGuys go for looks, girls go for statusThere are so many nights where this is just how it happensGuys go for looks, girls go for statusHe was dreadlocked in the dorms in the Colorado cornHe says he's got your vegetationShe was sitting on the edge of the bed smoking trying to reach emancipationAnd he's done with DVDs, he's fully entertainedHe's bleaching out the blood stains, he's got diamonds in the drainShe said that she was coming but she wasn't, just make hard facts noisesIt kind of sounded like a locusGuys go for looks, girls go for statusThere are so many nights where this is just how it happensGuys go for looks, girls go for statusIt was song number three on John's last CD,"I'm going to make it through this year if it kills me"And it almost killed meAnd song number four on that thirsty floor, you want the scars but you don't want the warNow that's just hardcoreThese kids are clever to the coreGuys go for looks, girls go for status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edger Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 I thought the lead singer came off as preachy I say thank god someone is. Rock and roll is rooted in the preacher to congregation call and response and to me too many jambands have taken this out of the mix opting for an introverted approach that can at times be frustrating. You listen to Phish in interviews for instance and these are sharp individuals who have interesting viewpoints' date=' and sometimes I want to hear from the artists and not just have the abstraction of their music speak for them. Just my .02. [/quote'] I think preaching and good songwriting are two entirely different things. Both convey a message, both have the potential to impart their little pearls of wisdom, and I suppose both can be powerful. I 'tend' to personally prefer messages that can be interpreted in many different ways, depending on who you are, space, time, etc. Having said that, I also like a hard-hitting song that just lays it on the line (if what is being laid down is something interesting to chew on). To me The Hold Steady's song "guys go for looks but women go for status" came off as one big cliche, and didn't offer up anything particularly innovative that I hadn't thought about before. I don't think the melody that accompanied that message made up for this in any way. Although I am sure they have better songs if someone wanted to point me towards them. I can't help but feel it's the delivery and not the content that's freaking you out, and my opinion is that this delivery is quite overdue, as I am tiring of the enigma that a lot of the Jambands have created, it's actually pretty prevelant in the indie scene too. I say, listen I've got a boring job and I'm out on the weekend fill me up with energy and leave your passive nature for the afternoon set that I'll skip at some festival. Random thoughts: Obviously people have their energy filled through different avenues. I think you made an accurate observation that its probably more the delivery than the content that I was less than enthusiastic about. And again, I love a 'rockstar', but some pull it off better than others. I don't know if i can put my finger on the 'quality' that allows this to be so. I don't equate humility or understatedness or rawness with being passive. Thanks for the recommendations on other tunes to check out NW! Actually after reading through the rest of the lyrics for Girls go For Status, it's not a bad song. Got hung up on the shitty chorus I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewRider Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 My bad, edger is SOOO.. not lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-towns Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 weak sauce dirtboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edger Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 My bad, edger is SOOO.. not lame. It's okay I'm a 'little' lame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 If you do both nights, you'll have two massive nights followed by a crushing low!How'bout lusty little crushes? Any of those to spare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Wish Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Those only come out at all ages hardcore matinee shows..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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