Northern Wish

And if you could dig up any details on the Friday show- its a unique and underused space and I have no idea how it operates as a live music venue.

Feb 20 1967 - Apr 5 1994 You don't need to love the music of Nirvana to recognize that Kurt saved us all from the Axl Roses and Sebastien Bachs of this world.

Ah well, at least I didn't have to stay up too late. Can't wait for next year!

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The original thread title read Led Zepelin (sic) in Ottawa.

And from the where are they now file of Shitty NFL Personalities: Eric Dickerson- UGH! John Madden- thanks for the video game, and for retiring. Deion Sanders- thankfully Prime Time doesn't interfere with Quality Time any more. And again last but not least Michael Irvin. Dude should just bust out lines right at the desk- then I can pay attention to what he is talking about instead of wondering "where did you just blow that line that is written all over your face?".

I think the NFL takes the cake in this category. I mean here they are promoting players who have had potentially many head injuries onto live television. Gee do you think that might not work so well? I've never been able to listen to Terry Bradshaw without laughing- he stumbles over words and screws up last names with a Cherry like frequency. Plus his over the top boorish behaviour during the pre game 'pick em' is downright embarrassing. Shannon Sharpe. "Sorry Shannon what the fuck did you just say?! Oh you don't know either"- hmmmm. And last but not least: Joe Buck and Troy Aikman. Holy boredom Batman! I'd rather listen to Chinese Water Torture for a few hundred years. If you don't recall the Tyree helmet catch from a couple of Super Bowls ago- its probably because of Joe's brutal 'color' commentary.

Trev let me know that I did infact leave early and that they did an encore of a few tunes including New Westminster Taxi Squad.

Schwa. and I were hijacking another thread. For those interested or seeing an upcoming show, these are some quick notes on the Sat. Apr 2nd show at the Elmdale in Ottawa: It was utterly fantastic! They opened the show with Shakespeare (in order, front to back). Ron solo on Subversives transported me back to 1991. I have now seen that band three times: 1991 2001 2011 Weird. I wonder what they'll play in 2021?! We were standing about 6 feet from Ron, next to the sound guy so our spot was about as good as it could sound in that bar. I had worked a trade show all day and got uber drunk fairly quickly and have to say I can't remember if they played anything after Henry. Oops. Yes they've certainly practiced. Ron and Stephen were locked in, and the whole band sounded perfect to my ears. All of the advance promo materials and the poster for sale at the show ($5 signed by the band) all referenced the 20th anniversary of Shakespeare so I think you can expect the main set to be filled with that. My recollection towards the end of the night is spotty at best, but I seem to recall hearing City Full of Cowards so maybe there was an encore of some other hits. Also The Murder Plans were quite good. Good enough to sound like a very professional band who is ready for a major label. I was very pleasantly surprised. As was Ron Hawkins, I can only assume, as he watched the whole show from the front row.

/hijack.

We were standing about 6 feet from Ron, next to the sound guy so our spot was about as good as it could sound in that bar. I had worked a trade show all day and got uber drunk fairly quickly and have to say I can't remember if they played anything after Henry. Oops. Yes they've certainly practiced. Ron and Stephen were locked in, and the whole band sounded perfect to my ears.

Freeker and I opted for the Glen Close camping. rustle- I'd love to camp next to you and your party girl!

It was utterly fantastic! They opened the show with Shakespeare (in order, front to back). Ron solo on Subversives transported me back to 1991. I have now seen that band three times: 1991 2001 2011 Weird. I wonder what they'll play in 2021?!

Very well done.

Nope- its fine here.

Take the day off man- do some work, clean the house maybe stay in and not see a show. You deserve a break today!

And by rumors we mean rampant speculation, extrapolating tour routes- and just wishing!

He must be referring to Shawn Bidner of this infamy- who was noted in the quote about Famous Frenchs by AD above: Stay away from any property owned by Shawn (Shonn) Bidner or his mother, Murial Greenberg Bidner. They will steal from you. They demand money (deposits etc) up front and then intimidate and try to evict honest tenants. They lie, pretend not to know when the properties need repair, and try to make tenants pay for the repairs. Shawn is violent, creepy, manipulative and probably mentally ill. His mother and wife ("Jo") enable him. He is stupid but very crafty and persistent, and so petty as to steal firewood. Do not rent from him in Chelsea ("amazing view" of river, "loft-style" apartment are his favourite words). He advertises on Kijiji - Beware. He has ripped off at least 6 tenants in the past 2 years, as well as plumbers, repair men, mechanics, neighbours, and his first wife. Another sucker Ottawa, Ontario Canada http://www.ripoffreport.com/real-estate-services/shawn-aka-shonn-bidn/shawn-aka-shonn-bidner-sh-f9zca.htm

Not sure where he got the rest, but BS have tour dates posted on their site and a blank mark next to July 15. The most common discussion surrounding that date on a few boards is for Ottawa Bluesfest.

You have all wowed us with your powers of deduction and sleuthing today folks. This was the worst kept secret/ rumor in Phishtory- I'm glad you all figured it out by now!

HELL YEAH!!!

Bob Lefsetz comments: Television never sold tickets. It's like being in your living room, a member of the family, would you pay to see your sister? Even though they're taller now, because the screens are bigger, TV stars have little charisma. Hell, one can argue TV killed rock and roll. Where's the mystery. Want mystery...STAY OFF TV! Even better is Bill Maher's response. Charlie's going to go on stage and do...what? It's modern America. Everybody can do everything. Everybody can be a rapper, a musician, a movie star, a comedian, only this is not true. It takes years of experience to get good. And Charlie Sheen may be a good TV actor, but as a live performer he's got to stink...because he's never done it! Now in the old days everybody would have believed the hype, that demand for Charlie's shows was outrageous, that they were instant sellouts. (And don't think Charlie's shows are the only ones billed as selling out that don't...) So we've got the hype. Then we've got the inaccurate reporting. The woman at CNBC saying that tickets were still available for the Detroit gig even though they were of the platinum variety, way overpriced. But then this story gets picked up and analyzed and retweeted until conventional wisdom is the Charlie Sheen tour is a stiff, before it even begins. Welcome to modern show business. This was only about the money. And a misunderstanding of the marketplace. If you think Charlie Sheen will sell tickets, you believe Rebecca Black will sell tickets. That notoriety/fame is enough to get the public overheated to the point of overpaying to see it all up close and personal. But imagine the sideshow in the modern era. The carnival barker convinces you to overpay to see something that is ultimately disappointing. Today, this can't happen. Because you'd instantly go on the Internet and tell everybody that it SUCKS! You're sitting there during the event, texting and tweeting, that's your role, everybody's a reporter. The mainstream media bought this hook line and sinker. If Charlie's a star, he's a star in all media. The brokers, who deal with the concert business like the stock market, they literally don't care what happens on stage, they buy the hype and buy the tickets. Causing an instant sellout. Causing pandemonium and more dates, which don't sell out, just cruise Ticketmaster. In other words, there was very little demand. And now the brokers are dropping their tickets en masse, at a discount, below face value. Hoping Charlie enters rehab or drops dead and they can get all their money back. Losers? Charlie Sheen. Who believed he was indomitable, a genius, a force of nature who could not fail. It's hard to shed the stink of failure. In other words, this failed tour will hurt Charlie more than help him. Whatever he's paid must be measured against his lack of employability in the future. In other words, when Creed overplays and tickets go unsold and the sheds are empty, it's hard to recover. Creed should have swallowed its pride and come back in clubs, there were enough fans for that. And built from there. Charlie playing live is like me debuting on Broadway. A big jump that's doomed to fail. Brokers. They got bitten in the ass here. They do provide a service, allowing those with too much money who can't buy tickets from Ticketmaster to overpay for good seats. Weighing the pros against the cons, they're scum. If only tickets went for fair market value up front. People are bitching about the cost of Buffalo Springfield tickets, yet it appears people will overpay to see Neil Young year after year, they think he's worth it. Bottom line, he gets all the money. Mainstream media. Even though the fiasco was broken by a reporter for CNBC, somewhat inaccurately, the mainstream media is complicit in hype today. They want something to write about, something for ratings. There are almost no reporters at TV news anymore, just people who quote the NYT, WSJ, the WaPo or the AP. We get the news we deserve. We're a reality TV, all sheen and no substance culture, and that's the news we get. The public. Once again people are sold no-talents while those with substance but sans train-wreck value go unhyped. We're interested in Britney Spears why? Oh, that's right, you grew up with her, but don't tell me it's about the music. Winners? The Internet. A germ of a story is planted and then batted around until the truth emerges. Sooner rather than later. You can't lie anymore, the truth comes out. The public. They didn't buy this show in droves and now they know they were smart and are laughing that the brokers are losing money. The truth. Historically, show business was smoke and mirrors. Now it's all about honesty. Have smoke and mirrors on stage, not in the marketing.

I hope its open during Bluesfest!

If that were true I'd be actively developing technology to allow me to live on the moon.

Yeah that is exactly where I expected it to be- but the address confused me. Map 555 Wellington on google and you get this: View Larger Map