SaggyBalls

with all perishables and recyclables gone weekly, what's left? whatever is will keep in the garage without worry from pests. smart. maybe they'll use their surplus to hire more bylaw officials to catch the critters that leave all the piles of dogshit everywhere when they are checking the recycling

now if only they made music that was like sex ON drugs I'd buy a case!

they're making room for people that don't recycle. fuck the fines.

Silverman should have had the decency to remind o'reilly that it was the moon's gravity that makes the tides work all of that mount olympus crap lost his argument some credibility.

There's a huge differnce between a beating and that ass whoopin'. that azz whoopin was disciplinary and a beating is more than that - an act of violence rather than an extreme/violent act. Thanks to all of you black and white 'it's all wrong' people for helping me solidify my opinions. Physical discipline is not 100% wrong, not is it 100% right but I certainly won't rule it out if the time comes.

Not taken a course, but my issues are with the not-so-rare reactions and the questionable science behind many vaccines that are pumped out without proper testing. It would be great if they were all tested properly - then i wouldn't be mostly on the fence about this issue. The flu shot - is a gamble, especially with kids. Many parents want to protect their kids and I get that but I would certainly not want to play russian roulette with my kid's heatlth either way and that's precisely the position many parents are finding themselves in. the 'pretty good chance nothing bad will happen' or 'I hope my kid doesn't get H1N1 cause I'll look like a negligent parent' It's an awful position to be put in, with a bigger chance that a vaccination will have a complication compared to a possibly dead child. I hope that some day there's a vaccine for the strep-like viral infection that I beat but led to my late sister's Leukemia. I'd certainly consider that one if it were a cut and dry winner. Doctors don't want to tell anybody that vaccines should be weighed carefully with their complications. You'll never hear a doctor tell someone to not get the flu shot. You won't hear stories about their complications on any courses they teach either. Do you REALLY think it's unfortunate to not take lectures about the dark side of vaccines? Ignorance is bliss sometimes, Hal.

some vaccines. the concept is great but not every vaccine is great nor is every approach. blindly accepting all vaccines as equal is just as small minded as presuming all vaccines are bad for everyone. I'm still amazed that people vaccinate their kids from the chicken pox when the immunity doesn't last forever. get chicken pox as an adult and it can turn really bad - much worse than a child, while getting it as a kid prevents us from getting it ever again. I'm glad I got it when i was a kid (chicken pox). i wish that were the same for everything else.

Not going to happen. Keep in mind, the main point of the study was to show a correlation between gastrointestinal disease and autism, which it had and has been found since. There is a higher risk for some children to become autistic/have it emerge from some vaccines, but those studies are unrelated to that one. I look forward to us finding ways to become and remain healthier. Hoping for vaccines isn't cutting it.

Shocking the autoimmune system to react rather than supporting it and the body's overall health is lazy and while that unreliable study didn't prove anything it did spark research into vaccination which has led to more knowledge and understanding about it. Boom the dynamite did not go.

i bet that thing would be a lot of fun to fly: drunk or not.

Awesome. Bear in mind that if people didn't think they'd get caught the amount of fine would be inconsequential. So for the rest of you that are reading this, I'm not just making this stuff up. While I can't find the direct quotations, some are in "Measuring Offender Risk' by Dean Champion. Of course, that's more specifically relating to incarceration but it's still punishment. Just because I can't absolutely substantiate it doesn't mean that I can't be right.

I'm certainly not swerving. Velvet, where you're right about behaviour changing not on its own, The DUI numbers suggest that GETTING CAUGHT AND INCONVENIENCED deters people. There is nothing about any data that proves that it's bigger fines. These bigger fines get media attention and talk around the water cooler. From Bill C-36 to the smart meters from the power company, we're either having unnecessary rules or inconvenient and uncomfortable expenses imposed upon us disguised as necessary or important.

I'm certainly not swerving. Velvet, where you're right about behaviour changing not on its own, The DUI numbers suggest that GETTING CAUGHT AND INCONVENIENCED deters people. There is nothing about any data that proves that it's bigger fines. These bigger fines get media attention and talk around the water cooler. From Bill C-36 to the smart meters from the power company, we're either having unnecessary rules or inconvenient and uncomfortable expenses imposed upon us disguised as necessary or important. I hope that at least some of you can see this happening.

And THAT would bring existing fines. Hefty ones. We don't need new rules when we actually enforce the existing rules. It's more efficient to actually use the system that's been created instead of presuming there aren't enough tools in the box to fix the problem.

Judgmental: Inclined to make judgments, especially moral or personal ones So of the judgmental pricks that have posted here, AD and Velvet are the safe ones?

In my example the asshole was the one that caused the crash and would have also been likely to infect his coworkers with a virus. Just because I didn't label the lady an inconsiderate idiot that doesn't mean I want her to be my friend. It's easy to stop investigating when there's something to blame.

Only if you could first define it as such and justfy that. I'm not without critical judgement on this issue and have looked at it from a number of angles before settling on this one for now. Certainly not naive.

What else have they to do? Crime rates are at a near 30 year low. It's part of their job. People die in car crashes every day and if one person is within impaired limits Alcohol is always blamed. End of story, lady over there was drunk it must have been her fault - not the asshole that is going to work who has the flu or is trying to get over a cold or underslept. It's important to have your wits about you while driving I wholly agree, but there are a lot of awful sober drivers on the road too. Perhaps more people should look at the stats and realize there's a bigger picture than drunk drivers & speeding and look at congestion and mass transit concerns as the big ones to bring more focus to to keep the streets flowing and the roads safer. With all the drinking over the holidays shouldn't they have found far more people driving drunk? It's not the fine it's getting caught with some kind of consequence and inconvenience attached. Losing your license temporarily when you'd have to drive to work or get your kids to school perhaps? The increased fines over the years have only served to bring more media attention and notoriety to the fact that people are getting caught. And there is, of course, the increased revenue from those fines. Now...what if you didn't recycle one week and didn't use your green bin properly and every week your garbage piled up. Unless you found a dumpster somewhere you could use you'd have to go through that garbage sometime. Wouldn't do it more than twice I'm sure. Thanks for the read. I'm tired of the drunk driver example being brought up as a sort of moral high ground in discussions like these and am glad I'm not the only one that doesn't entirely buy it.

Actually, AD there were over a million across the province less than a half of one percent effective for all charges And about an eighteenth of that for alcohol-related offences, including refusing to blow. RIDE programs are all about metrics - how many people are visibly drunk/impaired? How many have broken headlights or taillights, how many need an e-test, who's blatantly smoking weed or acting strangely...when less than half of one percent of people stopped are going to be charged for anything at all it tells me that the roads are certainly safe. I wonder how many people think about the less than 300 drunk drivers stopped at RIDE programs as a high number. We're never going to stop people dying on the roads until we outlaw driving and leave it to computers to manage traffic flow.

Years of harsh punishment for what? Running him over for getting off his bike to threaten me for yelling at him for cutting me off? I'd probably do it a second time if it meant the guy couldn't walk or ride his bike anymore, prison turning me into a criminal. Studies show again and again that people don't respond as well to fines and punishment as they do to believing they'll get caught and inconvenienced. Canada has the second highest rates of incarceration of any industrialized democratic nation and there's been no benefit to our society. It costs too much, doesn't rehabilitate offenders, and does nothing to lower our crime rate year after year. While it's near its lowest point in 30 years, that fact can't be attributed to our incarceration rates. We keep getting 'tough on crime' in response to a safer and safer society. Being tougher on crime actually makes crime more profitable in the long run. Instead of a fine for recycling just leave their garbage until it's put out properly. Fines should be for leaving trash by the curb for more than 2 days if anything. The inconvenience of having to go through weeks of rotten or mixed garbage would be far more effective than fines ever will. Imagine if we spent a solid fraction of what's spent on RIDE programs on extending public transit past 3 AM and making taxi service more affordable and opening the market up to more companies: Fewer people would be impaired on the roads to begin with. Much better than having to 'police' people and the remaining police could actually protect and serve. I wonder what the Recycling cops are going to cost Gatineau.

I'd seen the numbers released several days ago, AD.

That's not Kelly Gruber.

850 out of over 140,000 checked is NOT effective. NOT.effective. 24 out of nearly 16,000 is NOT effective. It's passing the buck to say the end users are the only ones to be made responsible via fines for being 'bad'. We live in a time where the atmosphere is thick with retribution. This is certainly unhealthy.

The problem is not the end polluter but the producers of things to be set out on the curb. They sure are passing the buck.

+1. We could make some use of our refuse.