thanks my brother... been so long since I had a problem with it, forgot how to spell it! and yeah, the accompanying uncharacteristicly human-like scream/screech the cow makes when you unhook its bloody nipple (most of the time you can't tell its injured until its unhooked) is an even tougher memory to wipe... the thought of having a pulsating vacuum hooked up to your 'long john' for an hour sounds like a great idea in principle, but in practice really wouldn't be a good idea at all