seconded Jaybone. That last post could lead to a pretty serious rant by any of us on this board that has grown and lived with zero's ups and downs of the last five to 10 years. Remember dude, its all been documented right here. Something tells me that "The 30 some odd, aging 30 some odders that make up the remnants of the Canadian Deadhead, Phishead, or 'jamband' scene seem" as you seem to belive only have drugs or bad music in common are pretty successful around here. Correct me if i'm wrong but we have school teachers and lawyers, government officials and IT techs, (hell, i'm good friends with a chef on here that would cook you under the table in a second) ,we have all sorts of different level management types on here that are driven by their own successes as well as their own family life... not drugs and bad music. I could go on forever with this but why don't you just take a step back before you post and think about what you have posted on here the past 5 to 10 years or however long zero and kung have been around... it may all be put into perspective for you then.