AdamH Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Interesting theories Theo, but where in the Torah for instance is the establishment (or re-establishment) of the Temple a requirement for the Messiah to come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 I Kings 6:12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Well? Isn't somebody please going to tell me that I'm crazy? I'm scared. Daddy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 I am truly not a religious scholar and don't claim to be one, however, I looked up the section you cite, which says: "As for this temple you are building, if you follow my decrees, carry out my regulations and keep all my commands and obey them, I will fulfill through you the promise I gave to David your father." I think that the promise in question is regarding the Jews as the Chosen People who will proliferate and continue on... Perhaps the Messiah (Moshiach) is also part of that promise; I don't know. Maybe this is a stupid question, but the Temple you speak of, which I believe was the "Beit Hamikdash" (at least in Hebrew) ... wasn't that rebuilt a long time ago after the Syrians destroyed it, giving rise to the story of Chanuka? (Again, I am not being sarcastic. This is a serious question.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 1st Temple destroyed by Babylon I believe. 2nd Temple established and again destroyed, possibly by the Syrians (supposedly built by first Freemason and Master, Hiram Abiff around 1500-1000 BC, who learned Geometry from Euclid (300 BC?), which could not have happened). 3rd Temple is represented by the Jewish "occupation" of Jerusalem and the creation of Isreal itself ( As stated by David Ben Gurion in 1948). I've studied Gnosticism and Freemasonry a little. Freemasons see some wiggle room in history and read it symbolically instead of chronologically so it makes exact sh!t hard for me to know without having studied the bible or biblical history. More of an esoteric interest really. Couldn't tell you about Chanukkah, don't know where to look for that reference. As far as I know the messiah does count as part of the promise to redeem the Jews from sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 I suspect that the third temple you speak of is a philosophical issue with debates on either side as to whether the occupation represents the Beit Hamikdash. Regarding Chanuka, I am not speculating. The Beit Hamikdash was rebuilt after the Maccabees won a battle against the Syrians. They rebuilt the Temple and tried to rekindle the "Eternal Light". There was not enough oil for the lamp, though, and everyone expected it to burn out in less than one day. It lasted 8 days and that is why Chanuka is 8 days. It is also why Jews eat latkes and jelly doughnuts at Chanuka, because they are deep fried and it represents the oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Posted November 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Gotta love a religion that pushes donuts on holidays. Beats the wafer and grape juice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Who rebuilt it, which King? Maybe it'll jog my memory of the sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 As far as I know the first Temple was raised by babylonians so perhaps the second was built around 1000 BC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Nice one Megs! The Chanukkah ceremonies are to commemorate the rededication of the Temple after desecration by the Greeks and Syrians. The Temple still stood until later. http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday7.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Posted November 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Damn! The buddhists temples I would visit would shell out tasteless sticky rice. Strangely enough, though it was tasteless, I hated it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry jr. Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 One of the nice things about being Jewish is that we're supposed to drink 4 glasses of wine two nights in a row during Passover (hey, it's good for the heart!). I think we're also supposed to get trashed on Simchat Torah, but I haven't celebrated that one since elementary school..oh, manishevitz grape juice, where have you gone? As far as Bush and the other warmongering, pro-death penalty, give tax breaks to the rich, fake Christians go, ask them why they never quote the Beatitudes from Christ's Sermon on the Mount. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God etc. Jesus was a liberal hippy who'd be an outcast in Republican circles if he were around today, and he'd be drinking wine with the other 75% of Jews who voted for Kerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 "I just met a Sheik who bought your country last week.The meek shall inherit nothing."- Frank Zappa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairySari Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 One of the nice things about being Jewish is that we're supposed to drink 4 glasses of wine two nights in a row during Passover (hey, it's good for the heart!). I think we're also supposed to get trashed on Simchat Torah, but I haven't celebrated that one since elementary school..oh, manishevitz grape juice, where have you gone? Don't forget Purim - it's a sin NOT to get drunk for that one. It's like Jewish Halloween! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 How could we forget Purim?!?!?!?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Posted November 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Oy vey, a can of worms I opened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgnor Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 You're a liminality!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancingbear Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 How could we forget Purim?!?!?!?!?!?! that was funny! and to velvet...about the whole donut vs. wafer thing.....that was funny!!! mmmhh latkas. and to larry jr. nice to see ya around. although maybe you could make a GOOD point for once? :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhishyK Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Timmy: "Timmy! Timmy! Tim...my! Timmmmy TIMMY!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 How could we forget Purim?!?!?!?!?!?! that was funny! I think I missed the joke. Have people not heard of Purim?!? :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancingbear Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 stonemountain,,... after hannukah, how many jewish holidays can the average person name? i would say between zero and one. thats why i thought it was funny. outside christianity, judaism, and islam, i would be hard pressed to name a whole bunch of other denominations holidays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 I honestly had no idea that most people couldn't name Jewish holidays other than Chanuka. (Relatively speaking, compared to many others Chanuka's not even a really important holiday in the Jewish calendar, but I guess it's sort of "high profile".) Sorry about that. No offense intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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