dJEd Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 i've always enjoyed this debate even if theres nothing to debate. Jaimoe and Butch own the Rhythm Devils. dont get me wrong i love a lot of those Set 2 Drums. but i love the drums from Mtn Jam more.remember Instrumental Illness from MolsAmph Summer 03? the drums hushed the whole crowd, even the drunk old farts who were yelling about some fucking Skynyrd show they saw when they had a clue, shut up. everyone just sat there while those 3 wankers destroyed any thought someone tried to form for 10-15 minutes of sick drums wickedness.at least thats the way i remember it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 My favourite Dead era is without Mickey. The Dead managed fine with just Bill. I don't like Space/Drums, but I'll always appreciate Mickey for contributing the great song Fire On The Mountain, one of my all-time favs. Both guys work well together, but it's not the drums I pay attention to in the Grateful Dead.I love Jaimoe and Butch and have grown to understand the dynamics that they've brought to the overall sound of the ABB. They are rooted in rock/jazz and blues and I love their driving, pounding rhythms, which add power and texture to songs that one drummer could not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 I'm listening to a great Steely Dan bootleg that is being anchored quite admirably by Jim Hodder and Jeff Porcaro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Tell me more about this Steely Dan bootleg.And Jaimoe, I'm with you - while I do love all eras of the Grateful Dead, my favourite years are '72-'74. They could really change directions on a dime with just one drummer. I sure do like Drumz/Space, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 I don't like Space/DrumsHeretic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 (edited) I am a pure lover of the post-Mickey Mouse era........Jer and Phil really were enabled to show their love of jazz during the improv/jam sections, but NOTHING and I mean NOTHING touches those two gents when they went on their Drumz excursions. Heck, the saving grace for the post 2000 shows I saw was the Drumz segment. I facking LOVE the Beam!!!!!! Speaking of which, 03-24-95, as they are departing the stage while Vince and Bob start up, Mickey Mouse gave the Beam a big kick for good measure, which reverberated enough to almost knock me down. For that alone, Mickey Mouse and Kreutzman blow away Butch and Jaimoe............ Edited June 28, 2005 by Guest re-read spelling error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timouse Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 I am a pure lover of the post-Mickey Mouse era........Jer and Phil really were enabled to show their love of jazz during the improv/jam sections, but NOTHING and I mean NOTHING touches those two gents when they went on their Drumz excursions. Heck, the saving grace for the post 2000 shows I saw was the Drumz segment. I facking LOVE the Beam!!!!!! Speaking of which, 03-24-95, as they are departing the stage while Vince and Bob start up, Mickey Mouse gave the Beam a big kick for good measure, which reverberated enough to almost knock me down. For that alone, Mickey Mouse and Kreutzman blow away Butch and Jaimoe............ what he said. mickey and bill are the reasons why i play drums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Mickey/Bill... The Allman's were good, the Dead were better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elemeno Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 tough question....when i'm on acid its billy and mickey no doubt at all.but when its summer time and the shrooms have kicked in and i've drank 18-20 beers, give me butch and jaimoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Tell me more about this Steely Dan bootleg.I got it from DimeADozen.org (formerly EasyTree). It's a liberated bootleg called Metal Leg. Two one-disc shows from 3/9 and 3/10/74. The band sounds real hot.If you want a copy Private Topic me your address.Thanks to Rob Not Bob for the tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 People who used the Drums/Space segment as a bathroom break missed some of the most consistently mindblowing parts of a Dead show, esp the Drums sections, imo.I dig that whole ethno-space/Planet Drum vibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deranger Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Drums/Space.....zzzzzzzzzz...bathroom break....let's whack our drums aimlessly for 20 minutes because hey, we're stoned, Jerry and Bobby need a hit and Phil needs a glass of wine. Butch and Jaimoe, actual drum solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 yes, you're absolutely right.Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzmann would whack their drums aimlessly for 20 minutes becasue they were stoned and the other guys need to get more loaded.Good ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deranger Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 thanks, I think so too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dJEd Posted June 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Del, yeah the Dead were better but we're only talking drum duos. i have to agree with Deranger and say that 'drums' are far less focused and out there and yes at times "2 guys hitting things" whereas the ABB boys were focused and driving. 2 centsi'll take ABB 69-71 over a lot of GD. i was obsessed with the Duane-era for like 3 yrs straight. i have more Duane stuff than GD in my collection. excluding burns or course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Meh - focussed and driving? Sounds like the Conservatives. They get lots done (trains running on time and all that), but everything interesting, tentative, and unusual in life gets ground under the heel in the interests of a bunch of guys with hard-ons for power. Note I didn't use the phrase cock-rock. No comment on Butch and Jaimoe, I have to add, since I've never actually heard them, but I have to presume, given the dichotomy that seems to have been established in this thread, that they're not given to meandering, which for me is the whole point of the Dead - the willingness to take risks, to be human, to explore, with all the resources of deep and sincere musicianship at their disposal, and with an audience that was willing to put up with all those risks. But never mind me; beer+sun=rambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark tonin Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 "remember Instrumental Illness from MolsAmph Summer 03?"This was definitely the highlight of the '03 Toronto ABB show for me ... Instrumental Illness is a great song, and the drum jam that accompanied it was mind-blowing.Maybe I was seeing things, but with the ABB, it's not a two person drum jam, but a three person affair, including percussionist Marc Quinones. Read about Marc Q. here: link to Marc Q bioThe Dead, Mickey & Bill ... I've always thoroughly enjoyed the live drumz & space experience ... it's refreshing to hear musicians exploring and trying to reach beyond existing musical boundaries ... I don't usually enjoy listening to a recording of it though.Peace, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dJEd Posted June 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 yeah it is a drum trio for the ABB these days so i guess we won't count Marc because he wears a dangley earring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 yeah it is a drum trio for the ABB these days so i guess we won't count Marc because he wears a dangley earring.It took me a few years to deal with the fact that Marc was also in Spyro Gyra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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