SevenSeasJim Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 he throws the same hit last year at christmas against a russian and everybody would be creaming over him. This is true. Fuckin Commie's :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 That part in bold hasn't been addressed much. I understand wanting to defend a teammate who's been clobbered ... However, why the FUCK did they do it when he's unconscious on the ice? Really fucking smart ... his own teammates could have indirectly done more damage!The other Flyers could have indirectly done more damage too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenSeasJim Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 (edited) Downie gets 20 games.TSN.ca Staff9/28/2007 2:23:11 PMThe National Hockey League has handed down its verdict on the Flyers' Steve Downie.Colin Campbell, the NHL's executive vice-president and director of hockey operations, has suspended Downie for 20 games for his vicious hit on Ottawa Senators forward Dean McAmmond in Thursday's exhibition game.The 20 games is the fifth longest suspension handed down by the league. New York Islanders' Chris Simon holds the longest at 25 games for his two-handed stick attack to the face of Ryan Hollweg of the New York Rangers last season.The Flyers were leading 2-1 when, at the 2:39 mark of the second, Downie skated the length of the ice and took a run at McAmmond, who had just released the puck while circling behind the Flyers' net and was met by Downie coming around the other side. Downie also appeared to leave his feet as he flattened the veteran.The jarring hit came moments after Downie was checked into the glass by Ottawa's Christoph Schubert in the Senators' zone.The 20-year-old prospect gained a reputation at the junior level for some nasty play, but following Thursday's game said the hit wasn't pre-meditated, nor did he intend to go for McAmmond's head. Edited September 28, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tissue Man Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 (edited) 20 Games a bit much for me.. first time offender and all. thought 10 maxbe interesting to see what they will do when the same situation happens to an nhl regular and it isnt their first time in trouble. most likely pronger slamming someones head off the glass again.. Edited September 28, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 i thought 10 max as well..... or Pronger throwing his elbows around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Yeah, if they backtrack and give lesser penalties it wont look good on Colin. Wait! What am I talking about????? Of course he is going to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Between Pronger getting 1 game and Avery getting 25 for their infractions ... they give Downie 20??? WTF? Where's the consistency?I agree with the 10 games that people have mentioned here as being adequate in this case ... THEN modify the rules so that next time they can throw the book at the next 'offender' ... even if it is a "superstar". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Horrible hit, but 20 games is pretty severe. Especially when you look at the list of the longest suspensions in the NHL, Downie's hit doesn't really compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 (edited) We'll be getting soccer dives this year.[color:purple]New strategy in the NHL: you feel somebody make ANY contact with your head, drop to the ice and don't move. If you get up, there won't be any penalties. If you stay down, get your opponent suspended.^^^^That is a sarcastic comment ... I am NOT saying that McAmmond did ANYHING of the sort! Edited September 28, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 maybe the fact that he'll be serving the suspension in the AHL came into Campbell's decision-making? Dunno. Throwing it out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Not even one game in the NHL and Downie joins this illustrious list of most games suspended.Games Player Year Team 25 Chris Simon 2006-07 NYI 23 Gordie Dwyer 2000-01 TAM 23 Marty McSorley 1999-00 BOS 21 Dale Hunter 1993-94 WAS 20 Steve Downie 2007-08 PHI 20 Todd Bertuzzi 2003-04 VAN 20 Brad May 2000-01 PHX 20 Tom Lysiak 1983-84 CHI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Yup, that hit was so identical to Betuzzi's Or some of these other ones in that ilk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 So I looked up what each of the suspensions was about25 Chris Simon 2006-07 NYI - Simon hit Hollweg in the face with a two-handed swing of his hockey stick23 Gordie Dwyer 2000-01 TAM - Dwyer achieved notoriety after receiving a 23-game suspension for an altercation with officials in a pre-season game23 Marty McSorley 1999-00 BOS - On February 21, 2000, McSorley, swung his stick and hit Donald Brashear in the head21 Dale Hunter 1993-94 WAS - Hunter turned over the puck to Turgeon in the Capitals zone. Turgeon skated in and scored. Hunter hit Turgeon from behind while he was celebrating.20 Steve Downie 2007-08 PHI – Hit on Dean McAmmond20 Todd Bertuzzi 2003-04 VAN - Bertuzzi grabbed hold of Moore's jersey, and punched Moore in the side of the head. Moore, who was 45 pounds lighter than Bertuzzi, fell to the ice with Bertuzzi's weight] driving him headfirst into the ice20 Brad May 2000-01 PHX - May was suspended for 20 games following his actions in a November 11th game where he hit Columbus forward Steve Heinze in the nose with his stick.20 Tom Lysiak 1983-84 CHI - On October 30, 1983, while a member of the Blackhawks, Lysiak tripped linesman Ron Foyt during a game against the Hartford Whalers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak By Night Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 So when does the 20 game suspension start? Does it start in the AHL or when he gets called up to the NHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Yup and this one got zip, nada, nuttin' ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 So when does the 20 game suspension start? Does it start in the AHL or when he gets called up to the NHL? well..If Downie is cut by the Flyers he will have to serve the suspension when - and if - he returns to the NHL.... but i think the AHL is required to honour NHL suspensions so he'd be serving it down there. I'd like to know the real answer too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-O Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Definitely seems like way too harsh a sentence in the historical context. But if the NHL has decided that this is the punishment for "intent to injure" infractions, and they're consistent from this point on, I'm fine with it. Hits like that need to be eliminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Neil didn't leave the ice, he didn't (clearly) go for the head, he didn't charge him.... Different hit, stop comparing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 (edited) ^^^^^^that's a funny one. Neil's WAS about a hit to the head (with elbow and shoulder tucked in like Downie) and showed equally as much intent to injure on a hit that he had equally enough time to "let up" on.Gimme a break! Edited September 28, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 so, you think neil should be suspended months after the fact then? or is it irrelevant? (hint: it's irrelevant, like it or not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 (edited) Of course not! The NHL fucked up by not giving him any at the time. This is not some sort of new "issue" for the league in just 5 months. Edited September 28, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 So Neil should get suspended now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakis Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 It is irrelevant just like the leafs not making the playoffs last year!! So no more talking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Speaking as a non-Sens fan, I really dont see the comparison between those hits aside from the fact that they are very close with respective time between the loss of the puck and the delivery of the blow.Look at the trajectory alone and intent is clearly defined in one and not in the other (unless I missed something back then or forgot about it). Not too mention the flying elbow and the leap. 2 different beasts altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 (edited) uh ... i said "of course not", no?Again ... the NHL has no consistency. In looking at a timeline of suspensions in incidents such as this, it's out of whack. Avery gets 25, then Neil gets none, then Pronger gets 1, then Downie gets 20, etc.etc.It's going to be interesting to watch the NHL this year and see what happens on the next "head-hit". If THIS is a precedent setting suspension, then subsequent ones of this nature should hold a 20 game minimum (regardless of whether it's preseason, regular season, or post season) and enforced immediately. Edited September 28, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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