AD Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Well there's lots of Liberal talk on here lately...Anybody want to comment on some of the other parties? Apparently the NDP launched some negative ads today. Good move? Bad move? Any other topics worth mentioning right now?I'm not too engaged in this election yet, gonna wait til the full platforms are released. (I think they are about a week and a half overdue).AD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberdinghy Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 [crickets]I saw Layton on Christine Cushing's cooking show the other day...[/crickets] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_rawk Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 You can watch the ad here: www.ndp.ca/GiftAdIt's not overly negative -- kind of funny.I like it much better than the horrible, painful to watch, fake interview style Conservative ads:CPC TV ads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 They need to bring back MC Ed Broadbent. Anyone catch those ads last time around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberdinghy Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 nice...I'm an NDP supporter, mainly due to thier stance on the environment and public transit.Harper can kiss my ass!BTW..I don't know much about the politics...If the Conservative leader was some hot broad with huge guns, I'd prolly vote for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_rawk Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 (edited) Hahaha. Yeah, the "He's Back" ad. That was awesome. [edit:] It's still online. Excellent. Ed's Back 'twas produced by This Hour Has 22 Minutes. Edited December 9, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondtube Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 "I like it much better than the horrible, painful to watch, fake interview style Conservative ads:CPC TV ads"those make me sick!does he actually think someone will believe those? (probably someone will, they still manage to get support every election. bah) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedShredder Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 nice...If the Conservative leader was some hot broad with huge guns, I'd prolly vote for them. I'd vote for her too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatalley Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Jim Harris this guy DEFINATELY gets my vote i've been a [color:green]Green Party supporter for years and with Jim running in my area (Toronto-beaches/east york) I don't plan on switching to anyone else i think the green/ndp vote will be split in this riding which could work out well for the freakin' Libs the following is just the type of bullshit that keeps the fUcking Conservatives and Liberals in power... Broadcast Consortium Trying to Exclude Green Party from Leaders' Debate Act now to ensure the debate includes the Green Party of Canada! The broadcast consortium that controls the nationally-televised debate is trying to exclude Green Party of Canada leader Jim Harris. This despite the fact that 4.3% of voters voted for the Green Party of Canada in 2004 and polls show that literally millions of Canadians say they would consider voting green in this election. The Green Party of Canada must be included in the election debate. Please join us in making this happen and protect your rights as a voter to make an informed decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bONES Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 ^^^^^^^ OOOOOOOPS ^^^^^^^^^ that was me and my rant sorry ratcat...although you should vote green too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backbacon Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 I haven't been following politics much and haven't even read any of this thread but I hear Jack layton will be at the my work today. (Autoliv) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthejourney Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 i will be royally pissed off livid if the Greens do not get to be apart of the debate this time around. Here's hoping they get to discuss their platform like the deserve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted December 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 The debate format, speaking order, podium arrangements etc have already been decided, so it doesn't look like the Greens will be in there.Hopefully it will change, but it's doubtful.AD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairySari Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 I used to think the Green party was a great alternative, but after working with them at Om a few years ago, I don't think so anymore. I couldn't believe how disorganized a party could be. Among other things, they were planning on bringing a solar panel and selling coffee to raise money, using the solar power to heat it. Well, they forgot the power converter or some other important part, so they couldn't use the solar panel. They wound up buying a bunch of propane or something to heat the coffee... not so green in my opinion.They also decided they had to have a candidate in every riding last election, which i guess is a good thing, except they had some really terrible candidates who didn't really care at all in some ridings because of it. (They were trying to get the funding if 2% of the population or whatever it is votes for the party).Last week I saw Jim Harris on the news - he had an talk/question & answer thing for the public, and not a single person showed up...It's really too bad, because they could be a really great party if they were a little more organized... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 A close friend of mine resigned his position with the Green Party of Ontario because of Jim's leadership, complete lack of organization and the fracturing of the party since the change at the top. However I'd like to have them included in the debate as a fourth distinct option. I've noticed ads for the Greens in alot of youth publications, and given that the age range of their party skews toward younger folks I think they're hoping to reclaim membership there (to make up for losing older, long-time greens when Jim took the reins). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted December 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 However I'd like to have them included in the debate as a fourth distinct option.You mean fifth option, right? Or are you not counting the Bloc?ad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_rawk Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 No Christmas gift is quite as perfect as an unopened one, sitting tantalizingly under the tree. As long as the paper and ribbon remain intact, there is no possibility of disappointment, no thought of wrong sizes or garish colours, no concern about missing batteries or shoddy construction.For many voters, the Green party is like a still-wrapped gift. What lies beneath the environmentally friendly packaging is an appealing enigma.TorStar articleMostly just bumping AD's thread, 'cause I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 What benefit would they add to the debates? I mean, even the NDP just get ignored during the debates usually - why would any of the other parties acknowledge the Greens? I suppose maybe the NDP would, and maybe it would translate into more NDP votes when the NDP more or less said "we agree, but we also think about all these other things too..."(I admit I'm not up on the Green platform, but I definately see them as unnecessary and bleeding left wing votes better spent with the NDP who IMO provide a more realistic position....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted December 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Sounds like you're discounting their ideas before even hearing them... I don't know their platform now, but i'd like to hear it, and hear it debated alongside the others.if the bloc can get in the debate, the greens definitely shouldAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatalley Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 I gotta quick question. What the hell does "Stand Up For Canada" mean exactly and how does it relate to the Conservative Party and can their platform be taken seriously when they brand it as stand up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 "Stand Up For Canada" should read "Stand Up For White Straight Religious Males" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bONES Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 hshshs.... Marge Delahunty for prime minister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatalley Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 "Stand Up For Canada" should read "Stand Up For White Straight Religious Males"...with SUVs, handguns, and attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
payce-ley Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMack Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Sounds like you're discounting their ideas before even hearing them... I don't know their platform now, but i'd like to hear it, and hear it debated alongside the others.if the bloc can get in the debate, the greens definitely should AD I am discounting them without hearing the specifics of their platform. The reason is they are redundant and a poorly used resource IMO. My understanding is they originally were a 1 issue party, but have moved away from that. Great. But if they are taking other issues seriously, then why would they not attempt to join and influence the left wing party that has at least an iota of making a difference. Mind you the same can be said about NDPs moving to the Liberal party, and it happens quite a lot (e.g. Trudeau and the current Health Minister) but the difference is a) the Liberals are much much further to the right (I know all the liberals are going to bite back here - but face it, its true) and the NDP do have a presence which the Green do not. However, if the Green was truly concerned with having their voice heard, and the environment brought to the forefront they would throw their what 1 or 2% (or was it 4%?) of votes behind the NDP to boost them from 16% or 20% to 20-24%. And keep in mind the fact that the NDP ALWAY have a much higher proportion of the popular vote then they do seats. I'm not a stats man, and could be wrong, but to me this means that they get quite close in a lot of ridings. The Green vote may be enough to push them over the hump. It may also mean that more people see the NDP as a viable alternative instead of voting Liberal to keep the PCs out. If not now then by the next election. And for the record - I believe at the current time that Canada is best served with a Liberal Minority and a strong NDP balance of power. At the current time that is. So yes, I am discounting the Greens without hearing about their platform. And I feel entirely justified in doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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