Hal Johnson Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Funniest thing is Houston just traded a bunch of prospects for Tejada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Ok, quick poll: Who on either the 92 or 93 Jays was on the juice?In a perfect world, only Candy Maldonado would be named. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted December 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 On the same day this report is coming out AROD is signing his $275 Million Dollar contract. No wonder these guys push the limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afro poppa Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I am just trying to actually read some of the report (mostly just the reports on specific players) and if you get a chance I highly recommend reading some of it. The Roger Clemens section in particular is quite hard for me to read as he was (keyword: was) one of my favourite players, and he essentially started doing roids because of Canseco and the Blue Jays...too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afro poppa Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I am now reading the part on Greg Zaun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booche Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 The Roger Clemens section in particular is quite hard for me to read as he was (keyword: was) one of my favourite players, and he essentially started doing roids because of Canseco and the Blue Jays...too bad. That's enough for me. ::shits on Clemens Blue Jays jersey:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Thats why I want my money back. Ticket prices reflect inflated salaries, which are a reflection of a guys worth, which is, essentially, how far he can hit the ball or how hard he can throw it. Id hate to think my hard earned cash has been contributing to drug use ( ) and, ultimately, terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afro poppa Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) other former and current Blue Jays in the list include Glenallen Hill and Howie Clark...Troy Glaus as well Edited December 13, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted December 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 According to the report every team has players affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Boy 2.0 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 ::prays Pat Borders isn't on the list:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 My whole childhood would be comprimised if Roberto Alomar was on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guigsy Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 it'll be barry larkin for me...i just downloaded the report - should be some good stoner reading. :cool: i watched the mitchell press conference on espn, too, and it was kinda strange... he really did seem to stress there should be some punishment for extreme cases... it also left me a little foggy on the whole legal/illegal banned business... so, it was an illegal substance, but not "banned" until 2002? what does that even mean? prior to 2002 you could legally use an illegal substance? they're referring to "cheating" happening prior to 2002, but the substance wasnt banned till then - so why the "cheating" designation?i just wanna get my facts straight cuz now im all confused what any of it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badams Posted December 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I guess they need to look at it two ways.1. Which substances were actually illegal for all of society.2. Which substances were actually banned or not in baseball alone.In the case of #1 I think it's case closed. They should at the minumum have their records wiped from the books.#2 is a little more clouded. I don't think baseball should go back and punish players who at the time were taking substances that were not officially declared illegal. However it wouldn't bother me if these players were not given the honor to make the Hall of Fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 If two Blue Jays bleeders Pat Hentken and Roy Halladay are on the list, there is no hope for humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guigsy Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 i got ya, badams... and i just read in the report that steroids were added to baseball's drug policy by fay vincent in 1991 - and that selig didnt alter that.. so, the references to them being banned in 2002 must come from the new joint drug agreement established then.. but, if they were already prohibited... i suppose its just that there was no test, so no official proof... aside from whatever has come out in this report now.so, as i understand it, they weren't newly banned, they always were. that changes a lot for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Boy 2.0 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 the big question is whether or not baseball itself will recover. will attendence dwindle? will prices get slashed? there's got to be repercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I want my damn money back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal Johnson Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I guess they need to look at it two ways.1. Which substances were actually illegal for all of society.In the case of #1 I think it's case closed. They should at the minumum have their records wiped from the books.I agree, but dont think it could work. They'd have to start stripping teams of WS titles too. It would get real ugly, real fast.The only way to save it, in my opinion, is to leave evrything alone that happened before 2002 (or whenever Jose wrote his book). We'd all get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 the big question is whether or not baseball itself will recover. will attendence dwindle? will prices get slashed? there's got to be repercussionsMeh. I'm still more pissed off by the strike. I really can't work up any outrage over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afro poppa Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I don't know if they can really look back at things like wins, records, accomplishments etc. and strip them or change them or whatever. People will always look at this era and remember what happened and judge accordingly. The only thing baseball can do is look forward in order to make sure that this kind of scandal never happens again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Whatever happens, say like another Black Sox Scandal, Basher will still have front row season tickets and tell us about them after each game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guigsy Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 huge can of worms, for sure... how to deal with it? no idea. the ripple effect is huge.. players believed to be clean, like say maddux and glavine, amassed tons of wins with the help of tainted bats, from say, a david justice, who's name shows up... its a lot of fall out... maybe not an asterisk, but maybe a bracket around it, the fuckery years.but i'll be raising a shitstorm if any of these guys get into the hall before pete. fuck.that.shit.most disappointing names from the list for me.. lenny dykstra and hal morris... HAL MORRIS! the dude struggled to hit 10 home runs a season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Dykstra is one of the guys that surprises me the least. And I wouldn't be surprised if they nailed most of the roster from that mullet-headed, muscle-bound Phillies teams from the late 80's through the late 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guigsy Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 disappointed... not surprised... looking back, there's no way he wasnt juiced, but in the early 90's no one played harder and he inspired you to bust your ass on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I hated Dykstra, but I agree with your assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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