The Obama Deception

[Schwa.]

Security is a great point, aside from the Corporate presence. I can't get away from that. Can't say that they bought their seats really as the Bilderberg group was elitist kajillionaires first and then Government figures to follow.

Illumi-who?

[SaggyBalls]

I don't think that anybody's suggesting that life stops because of the Bilderbergers.

However, nobody stops to look at the issue of COLLUSION in the grandest scale - not just going against law (which they do for meeting in secret), but for changing the rules before we even knew they were relevant and important to have upheld.

It's not so much that 'they' might be plotting against us, but the extreme apathy towards and acceptance of this in the face of evidence to support these meetings taking place is less than fortunate but not at all suprising.

It's also not so much that 'life goes on' but HOW life will go on if any undue influence and control is just allowed to be - keep us pacified and do what you will?

I don't think that people should necessarily stop, do a 180 and focus all of their attention on this, but understanding the choices we make and decisions we leave up to others can be very empowering.

It only happens because we are careless enough to allow it to and ignorant enough to keep it from being an issue worthy of discussion.

[ollie]

The life goes on thing... ultimately I think the Bilderberg group is harmless in the grand scheme of things. There's too much infrastructure in place to make it desirable for a shadow group to affect that much change for the worse.

[SaggyBalls]

From your perspective it's for the worse.

From their perspective it's for their benefit.

Mass control? That can only be usheded to welcome arms through terrible circumstances - of which they will be immune.

Of course, that's only if 'terrible things' happen

Huge profit, huge control - at our expense.

That's why it should be of interest to the general public.

Knowing about corporate ownership and rights, the world bank, WTO, UN, and issue of the corporatocracy/oligarchy structure that supercedes our democratic rights.

Truthfully, there will not likely be a specific event where you or I will personally be affected by a random corporation taking our personal property - but media, consumer, infrastructure, and economic control are all so vague and far-reaching that one could 'adapt' to most of the tweaks that will be put into the system.

For Example -

The US is set to move HR 875 (SHORT TITLE.-This Act may be cited as the "Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009") through to law - and have we heard much about this on MSM(Mainstream Media)? Nope. Big Food business is set to profit from GMO and non-organic food.

If you care to read this article then great.

Maybe you all are thinking 'they're not against us' - but whether or not they ARE, the rules will be stacked against the individual who will be at the absolute mercy of the law.

Whether it's a NWO/Bilderberg plot, these groups aren't getting together to find out how to make the world a better place, to benefit humanity, eradicate disease, get people clean drinking water, and build infrastructure to properly house the world's poor (which is entirely within the grasp of the world with the help of the mega rich).

Why have we not eradicated illiteracy?

So stuff like this can happen -

Seeds - How To

Criminalize Them

By Linn Cohen-Cole

3-20-9

HR 875: SHORT TITLE.-This Act may be cited as the "Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009"

Full text version pdf of HR 875: http:// frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi? dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h875ih.txt.pdf ]

-Wisdom says stop a bill that is broad as everything yet more vague even than it is broad.

-Wisdom says stop a bill that comes with massive penalties but allows no judicial review.

-Wisdom says stop a bill with everything unspecified and actually waits til next year for an unspecified "Administrator" to decide what's what.

-Where we come from, that's called a blank check. Who writes laws like that? "Here, do what you want about whatever you want and here's some deadly punishments to make it stick."

-Wisdom says know who wrote that bill and be forewarned.

-Wisdom says wake up.

Here's the bill. Let's use our imaginations and extrapolate from the little bit it reveals and from the reality we know.

SEC. 206. FOOD PRODUCTION FACILITIES.

(a) Authorities- In carrying out the duties of the Administrator and the purposes of this Act, the Administrator shall have the authority, with respectto food production facilities, to--

(1) visit and inspect food production facilities in the United Statesand in foreign countries to determine if they are operating in compliance with the requirements of the food safety law;

(2) review food safety records as required to be kept by the Administrator under section 210 and for other food safety purposes;

(3) set good practice standards to protect the public and animal health and promote food safety;

(4) conduct monitoring and surveillance of animals, plants, products, or the environment, as appropriate;

(5) collect and maintain information relevant to public health andfarm practices.

( Inspection of Records- A food production facility shall permit the Administrator upon presentation of appropriate credentials and at reasonable times and in a reasonable manner, to have access to and abilityto copy all records maintained by or on behalf of such food production establishment in any format (including paper or electronic) and at any location, that are necessary to assist the Administrator--

(1) to determine whether the food is contaminated, adulterated, or otherwise not in compliance with the food safety law; or

(2) to track the food in commerce.

© Regulations- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Administrator, in consultation with the Secretary of Agriculture andrepresentatives of State departments of agriculture, shall promulgate regulations to establish science- based minimum standards for the safe production of food by food production facilities. Such regulations shall--

(1) consider all relevant hazards, including those occurring naturally,and those that may be unintentionally or intentionally introduced;

(2) require each food production facility to have a written food safety plan that describes the likely hazards and preventive controls implemented to address those hazards;

(3) include with respect to growing, harvesting, sorting,and storage operations, minimum standards related to fertizer use, nutrients, hygiene, packaging, temperature controls, animal encroachment... and water;

Ah, such a little paragraph, and so much evil packed in it. Notice they mention harvesting, sorting and storage operations? Notice they never mention seeds but they are precisely what those words cover.

Now, watch how they will be able to easily criminalize seed banking and all holding of seeds. First, to follow how this will be done, you must understand that:

1. there is a small list inside the FDA called "sources of seed contamination" and

2. the FDA has now defined "seed" as food,

3. so seeds can now be controlled through "food safety."

Those seeds (so far) include:

*seeds eaten raw such as flax, poppy sesame, etc.;

*sprouting seeds such as wheat, beans, alfalfa, most greens, etc.;

* seeds pressed into oils such as corn, sunflower, canola, etc.;

*seeds used as animal feed such as soy ....

That includes most seeds. It may even be all seed, given how they are skilled at 'new' definitions.

And what are the "sources of seed contamination" inside the FDA? They include only six little items:

-agricultural water

-manure (but not chemical pesticides or fertilizers)

-harvesting,

- transporting equipment

- seed cleaning (sorting) equipment

-seed storage (storing) facilities

Did you know that seed cleaning equipment is THE single most critical piece of equipment for sustainable agriculture? It is how we collect organic seed. It is the machinery used after the season, when plants "go to seed," to separate out (sort) the seeds from the plant material so the farmer can collect (harvest) and then save (put in storage) seed for the next year at little cost. With his own seed, the farmer also stays free of patented, genetically engineered, corporately privatized seeds.

This year, 2009, one item on the "sources of seed contamination" list is suddenly illegal in some parts of this country - seed cleaning equipment.

To get the drift, perhaps you need to know that the people who clean seed are being wiped out, as well.

How can they make such vital equipment illegal? Quietly, first of all, so as not to alert organic farmers who have a lot of political ties. And by saying it contaminates food. And by applying their innocent and reasonable sounding "minimum standards."

"Contaminate" is their favorite word since the public fears the deadly contamination that industry itself - not farmers - has caused. That fear is valuable. Scare the public and it is easy to get "food safety standards" set without anyone reading them. 39 progressive co-sponsors leap on, thinking this is about "food safety." But it is only about the use of "food safety," not the reality of it

For to eliminate seed cleaning equipment, the FDA simple set minimum "food safety" standards for seed cleaning (the simple separation of seed from plant) such that a farmer would need a million toa million and a half dollar building and/or equipment to meet the new requirements ... per line of seed.

On the ground, where reality lives, a farmer in the midwest who has been seed cleaning flax for 40 years with his hand made seed cleaner now can't sell his flax on the market anymore. Never mind there are NO instances of anyone ever having gotten sick from seed cleaning equipment. And a farmer in another part of the midwest who has been cleaning wheat, corn and soy for years with one single perfectly fine piece of equipment would now need three to four and half million dollars for three separate pieces of equipment, in order to satisfy the "food safety" standards.

The FDA isn't so high-bar setting when it comes to other things like melamine in baby formula. Though it has proven to sicken and kill infants, initially the FDA just denied the melamine was in all the corporate baby formula but when people found evidence that it was, the FDA then quickly supplied a "food safety" standard that defined whatever level of melamine that was in the formula as fine.

This game playing about "food safety" standards - one to eliminate farmers by setting the bar so high no one can climb, and one to protect industry by setting the bar so low nothing need be done - is nothing new but now it is being suddenly extended to seeds. And it comes with penalties that make bankrupting farmers in an instant, very easy.

The effort to eliminate both seed cleaners and seed cleaning equipment tips us off to who is behind this (shhh) and to this new means of controlling seeds andmakes it possible to see just a few suspect words in this bill, and sense where things are heading.

Organic farmers are not aware of any of this happening. It appears the organic community is being treated with kid gloves until HR 875 and related bills should be passed, coddled so they don't get wise to what's afoot. And they are too disconnected from traditional farmers to be aware of how the USDA has been tromping on them for years.

So organic farmers have missed the handwriting on the wall for themselves.

Plus, plain ole farmers have a history of no one listening to them, which is too bad in general but now it's blatantly dangerous because it is they who are the ones bringing the warning that these bills are not just bad but deadly. The organic community, lulled by its own seeming safety, hasn't heard or understood.

But given what just happened with seed cleaning equipment (sorting), the method and the intent are exposed. "Food safety" is the weapon, with public fear, kept at a high pitch, as the driver. After which, those running this game only need to set the bar at a "food safety" level impossible to meet and apply horrendous punishments for not complying. Farmer is either crushed by that pincer move, or quits. Either way, his land is up for grabs.

And those severe punishments are essential to control groups which will see the whole thing for what it is - insane in terms of farming and anything to do with health, a threat to survival, and driven solely by profit and power.

So, one crucial piece of equipment (seed cleaning) is illegal now and without most people realizing. And simply because a single "foods safety" bar has been raised.

In time, as more and more farmers are forbidden from using their equipment, significant sources of organic seeds will begin to dry up, at which point the organic community would begin to ask what was going on. By then, it will be too late.

Why? Because look at the last item on the list - (seed) storing facilities.

Farmers, gardeners, seed saving exchanges, seed companies, scientific seed projects, and seed banks, all require sorting. All are working overtime to protect biodiversity that is rapidly disappearing specifically because of genetic engineering. As Monsanto began reducing access to seeds, people around the world have worked hard to compensate.

But now the effort is to take over the whole game, going after even these small sources of biodiversity - by simply defining seeds as food and then all farmers' affordable mechanisms for harvesting (collecting), sorting (seed cleaning) andstoring (seed banking or saving) as too dirty to be safe for food.

Set the standard for "food safety" and certification high enough that no one can afford it and punish anyone who tries to save seed in ways that have worked fine for thousands of years, with a million dollar a day fine and/or ten years in prison, and presto, you have just criminalized seed banking.

The penalties are tremendous, the better to protect us from nothing dangerous whatsoever, but to make monopoly over seed absolutely absolute. One is left with control over farmers, an end to seed exchanges, an end to organic seed companies, an end to university programs developing nice normal hybrids, and an end to democracy - reducing us to abject dependence on corporations for food and gratitude even for genetically engineered food and at any price.

When you know that Monsanto, with the help of the US government, plundered ancient and rare seed banks in Iraq that held seeds with a genetic heritage (a biohistory belonging to all of us) going back 1000s of years and then made it a crime for farmers there to collect or use their own normal andnon-patented seeds off their own land, you see how extreme the intent to control is.

Now, perhaps it is possible to see how the identical thing is being done here, only it comes in a heavily, heavily disguised way - through "food safety" that isn't "food safety" at all - and quietly sitting in only one tiny little paragraph within a very large bill (and with no reference to seeds at all).

The Iraqis are now utterly at the mercy of Monsanto and the US for survival itself and will have to pay whatever prices are set for food. They can no longer just grow their own and be free people. So, no matter what form of government they may ever have, as long as this is true, they are now enslaved because the control over them is that extreme. Kissinger was right - control food and you control people.

We are inches from this ourselves. The Left needs to wake up.

In Afghanistan, people are buying and planting beans from America which at the end of the season have nothing whatever inside, the pods are empty. In Equador, the potatoes there do not develop eyes so can't be planted next season to grow potatoes.

Biotech's claim to care about feeding starving multitudes is belied by its blocking human access to normal seeds and its terminator technology (empty beans). Monopoly is monopoly is monopoly. And at this level, and when it comes to seeds which are life itself, monopoly terminates democracy as well as beans.

This trick of setting bars above any ability to be in the game was done to blacks and in realizing this, we must hold Obama accountable for pushing these bills which are profound civil and human rights abuses.

There are three other items of the list which surely will be controlled as well. In toto,that little list of six items (agricultural water, manure, harvesting, transporting and seed cleaning equipment, and seed storage facilities) contains the pieces to deconstruct farming itself,

Take action -- click here to contact your local newspaper or congress people:

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Immediately withdraw HR 875, SR 425, HR 814, HR 759, and all related bills. They are intended to destroy small farmers and will trap us into GMOs

Click here to see the most recent messages sent to congressional reps and local newspapers

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Linn Cohen-Cole

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http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ rosadelaurooppositiongrowing20mar09.shtml

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http://educate-yourself.org/cn/cohen- colegoodbyefarmersmarkets03mar09.shtml

Banning Organic Farming & Regulating Home Gardening, HR 875 & S 425 (Mar. 13, 2009)

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ HR875andS425organicfarmingban13mar09.shtml

[SaggyBalls]

[SaggyBalls]

Just because one doesnt hear about a meeting between individuals it is automatically deemed there was a negative connotation?

I am not saying there is or isnt but consider me an individual who would prefer the leaders of their respective fields (science, mathematics, politics, whatever) get together from time to time to discuss matters they see fit.

Yes, Booche - when those people get together to build relationships and to advance their pursuit of excellence...

...but in this case, 'Excellence' is marked with the proceeds of greed.

It's not a case of us just not happening to hear about it - IT IS A MEDIA BLACKOUT.

Every world summit is a big deal. There's media coverage, public interest, discussion, minutes, disclosure...

But in the case of the Bilderbergs, there is full media blackout and invasive security measures aimed at those that try to unearth details about these people.

There has been no creation of abundance and wellness across the globe as one should expect from the most powerful people on the planet meeting behind closed doors for any GOOD reason.

You're such a nice guy, Andre.

You too ollie.

though I think Schwa's up to something...

Most people are 'nice' when it comes down to it and talk of 'plots' against the public and secret evil conspiracies is really only of interest for short bursts...say, 90 minutes in a dark room with explosions and popcorn - so i can understand a disdain for conspiracy theorism and seemingly 'far-fetched' plots.

I prefer to know about the individual issues. The plots that connect the dots would come so naturally that they're of little interest.

They really serve to distract people from the actual issues.

Keeping people unwell, worried, oppressed, and in need of a hand up from Government - to fix what should never have been allowed to break in the first place - This is the social control that is heavy enough for so many people to not want to have gnaw at their minds.

We put so much into our perception of government and out 'democracy' - hold it high, think it's really helping us...we don't want to think it's a waste of time.

Also, Government needs us to need them AND want them.

When an 'evil plot' is added to the mix it just gets to be to much.

That doesn't mean the system/infrastructure in place doesn't accomplish those ends.

How Convenient for these changes to 'need' to occur?

Salmonella/E.Coli/Melamine?

Food Safety?

Bullshit.

[Schwa.]

gezzus rob, i need an afternoon to read your posts.

[Booche]

Thanks for giving all my points on the matter more solid footing Yours Truly.

[Davey Boy 2.0]

here's a discussion point:

the economic downturn was artificially created in lieu of instituting the draft

[M.O.B.E]

Sorry Davey but the Draft has already been instituted, just not enacted yet. It was a part of the Patriot Act.

[phishtaper]

one of the problems with conspiracy theorists is that they are lousy debaters. it's next to impossible to provide a reasonable response when everything is thrown at you all at once (including the kitchen sink and the chemically-laced veggies sitting in fluoridated water).

conspiracy theorists would be asked to leave any high school debate competition because they simply cannot stay on topic.

[ollie]

one of the problems with conspiracy theorists is that they are lousy debaters. it's next to impossible to provide a reasonable response when everything is thrown at you all at once (including the kitchen sink and the chemically-laced veggies sitting in fluoridated water).

conspiracy theorists would be asked to leave any high school debate competition because they simply cannot stay on topic.

Oh my god. THIS.

[Hal Johnson]

So Im confused. What makes one a "conspiracy theorist"? Do you have to belive in the illuminati to fit the bill, or just question obvious BS from the media? And isn't labelling someone a "conspiracy theorist" to denounce their claims just as bad as everything you don't like about the "conspiracy theorist"?

From WIki:

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the source making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim

[Booche]

And isn't labelling someone a "conspiracy theorist" to denounce their claims just as bad as everything you don't like about the "conspiracy theorist"?

I admitted my own bias youfuckingfruitcake. But yes, it is almost just as bad.

[M.O.B.E]

And isn't labelling someone a "conspiracy theorist" to denounce their claims just as bad as everything you don't like about the "conspiracy theorist"?

I admitted my own bias youfuckingfruitcake. But yes' date=' it is almost just as bad.

[/quote']

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for

people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."

-- Noam Chomsky

[Hal Johnson]

Well that's no fun

For the record, Im neutral. I have a friend who shows me "conspiracy" type movies almost all the time. I get rather sick of them quickly, but I must admit, I get hooked on a few of the ideas.

The plane crashing into the pentagon is a perfect example, IMO. If you watch the doc, and I can't remember the name of it for the life of me, it makes a LOT of interesting pionts. Even if you don't buy it, you have to ask yourself why those glaring holes in the story are there. Maybe it's coincidence, or maybe it's not. Who knows, but to me it's better that these questions are asked rather than not at all.

[M.O.B.E]

The Bilderberg Plan for 2009: Remaking the Global Political Economy

[Schwa.]

one of the problems with conspiracy theorists is that they are lousy debaters. it's next to impossible to provide a reasonable response when everything is thrown at you all at once (including the kitchen sink and the chemically-laced veggies sitting in fluoridated water).

conspiracy theorists would be asked to leave any high school debate competition because they simply cannot stay on topic.

you add nothing to this discussion. all you do is criticize what you believe to be the conspiracy theorists. I haven't seen one person on here yet trying to conspire.

we can save room in the thread for you to bash the things we haven't done yet though, no prob. you see, you can believe anything you like and i will not think any less of you. if this wasn't directed at me or anyone else in this thread then i'm sorry, but i just don't see what you're getting at with these posts.

[Booche]

Forgive me if I am mistaken but I think Phishstaper was getting at Yours Truly's posts which had almost zero to do with the discussion at hand......and I felt that point was rather spot-on.

Edit to add: let the record show my feelings for Hal Johnson and Schwa are the exact opposite of "despise".

Edited May 27, 2009 by Guest
Let's not twist this into something its not, MOBE

[Schwa.]

granted. i've been skipping YT's posts due to their crazy length and their "all over the placeness"

[M.O.B.E]

Isnt it supposed to be about The Obama Deception?

[Schwa.]

yeah, i was thinking that. totally sidetracked.

[phishtaper]

Forgive me if I am mistaken but I think Phishstaper was getting at Yours Truly's posts which had almost zero to do with the discussion at hand......and I felt that point was rather spot-on.

Booche, you and Ollie seemed to get something out of my post that ...

add nothing to the discussion

how strange ...

[SaggyBalls]

The content of the film had quite a bit to do with Obama going with the underlying presidential theme of using the rights and liberties from the American people to pay back the power brokers.

Sure I've put a lot of cards on the table.

If i were to have to explain how they work together I'd be playing into a big 'theory' but by expressing that there are roles to put into perspective, am I implying there is a plot?

As far as the reasons I posted - a few of those were pure curiosity (the chomsky stuff) and I put them there to post some sonspiracy theory stuff.

That first long post was mostly about that 'why I don't buy into your conspiracy theories' "here's why conspiracy theories are bullshit" piece which - although filled with purely logical generalizations - incite people to glaze over important issues by playing on their existing logic, easily misleading otherwise highly intelligent people.

Now, the reason that the case against Chomsky should stand is that - though he's a linguist and not a scientist as we typically see it, he is a public critic of government and corporate interests yet ignores some of the most glaring examples of inequity and marginalization that affect the most people in the Western World.

On the flip side, that article accuses Chomsky (in typical 'Conspiracy Theory' fashion) of being an NWO puppet. I might prefer making that argument to myself instead of having it made for me...

The Aspartame post was to refute the claim that aspartame is harmless, while it's neither harmless nor crucial to support through arguing against aspartame opponency. "Many legitimate controlled trials" is entirely subjective & generally misleading.

I commented on the fact that collusion is not only awful, but illegal, and the crux of the argument against the Bilderbergs et al, and suggest reasons that it's particularly bad for us in this case.

I clarified the issue of media blackout/secrecy instead of 'not just hearing about' these meetings.

So in getting a bit off topic in explaining that 'our' failure is 'their' success and showing example of one way that their rules will leave us out in the cold, I brought up the assault on organic and small scale farming and seed production.

While off topic in one regard, it's particularly on topic, as the film talks about Obama going behind the backs of the American Public when they're distracted.

I realize that I stated many times that I'm more interested in the issues and the 'plot' is a distraction, yet I've used 'their' and 'our' during and since and undoubtedly will continue to do so.

I'm talking about the intertwining details when I say I'm not interested in plot - and how all of these details their interplay particularly oppress the world.

Why invest energy in something new to us when we have stock in this existing system?

I care to suppose that would require a shift in personal values.

Seems to be the underlying theme in the utterly failing, utterly thriving masses of the world.

[phishtaper]

The Aspartame post was to refute the claim that aspartame is harmless, while it's neither harmless nor crucial to support through arguing against aspartame opponency. "Many legitimate controlled trials" is entirely subjective & generally misleading.

sorry, YT, but this is just wrong. the studies to which I refer are peer-reviewed, scientific, randomized control trials, and systematic reviews. they are the gold standard of medical research and form the basis of almost all medical practice today. all chemotherapy, surgical and intervention practices used today are based on these methods.

if you choose to believe that thousands of independent medical researchers are naive and wrong, then that's your choice. but that's not how the well established practice of evidence-based, medical science works.

if anything is "misleading", it is the type of study/research to which you point. if you would like to see the study which is considered to be the single most comprehensive study on the safety of aspartame, I would be more than happy to send it to you. the 100-page study was published in the "Critical Reviews of Toxicology" journal in Sept, 2007. the lead author is B.A. Magnuson.

i would be more than happy to debate here this one issue if you want.

edit to add: and yes, the review was in part funded by the chemical manufacturers themselves, but so too are virtually all drug trials worldwide because of costs. industry involvement is normal in peer-reviewed medical research and does not undermine the legitimacy of results despite critics' claims to the contrary. it is another very common - and misunderstood - element of medical research which lends itself to more conspiracy theory.

Edited May 28, 2009 by Guest