shainhouse Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 Well, now that the cozone has taken a break from booking international acts, I'm noticing quite the decline in international talent making its way up to Toronto and other cities. Since I'm in school full time and I've had to put my booking duties on hiatus, I know nothing of any bands in talks or any rumours. Anyone know anything about this or have any thoughts/feelings about the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 Hopefully it's just a seasonal thing. Blues legend Bobby " Blue " Bland is playing the Silver Dollar on January 16th. His version of " Lovelight " is the one that inspired the Dead to record and perform it - and thus standardizing it for the jam scene. Blues and jazz artists always tour Canada regularly, but you have to look harder to know when they'll be in your town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondtube Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 quote: but you have to look harder to know when they'll be in your town. not when we had KevO's Upcoming Shows Page .... ahh the memories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimoe Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 Forget the American bands. I'm kicking myself ( and will regret not going to this gig for many years ) for skipping last month's The Soundtrack Of Our Lives ( from Sweden ) show at the Opera House - with the smoking Norwegian garage-rock band The Cato Salsa Experience, opening. Swede's got it going on rock-wise. TSOOL is one of the best new-ish rock bands out there today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backbacon Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 Let's get ekoostik hookah up here! This is ACE's (swifty's) question on a hookah discussion forum. hookah's bassist (Cliff) responded: hookah boys please respond!!! Author: Swifty (---.home.cgocable.net) Date: 12-08-02 23:07 when are you going to make the trek back to the great white north?(Ontario that is) no one ever answers this question! what gives guys? Reply To This Message Re: hookah boys please respond!!! Author: Cliff (---.210.225.226.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) Date: 12-16-02 05:41 I'm sure we'd love to, as soon as someone finds us a gig. Got any venue ideas? I'll tell our booking agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberHippie Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 Nice! I'd LOVE to see Hookah! Seems to me like Rivoli is booking most of the gigs these days. Unfortunately the opening acts tend not to be so complimentry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 Oooh Yeah!!! Hookah making a trek up here would be an event. Hopefully it can happen in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratski Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 as far as garage rock and roll goes ontario has great bands such as torontos the exploders and the deadly snakes, the sadies and the tijuana bibles all great bands. the press seems to have globbed onto some rock bands and made it their duty to make them the next saviours of rock and roll which is crap, how about the constantines talk about jaw dropping. it would be nice to see more american bands but as it costs i think at least 400 bucks just to cross it seems like many bands would lose money or just break even playing up here. i do have philedelphia(?spelling) emcee oaxerai and dj skipmode doing a small ontario tour in late jan early feb shows in peterborough,lindsay,hamilton and toronto. he performs politically minded hiphop which is smart not to preachy and stuff you can get down to, i first saw him open for the awesome granola funk express a couple of years ago. www.oaxerai.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backbacon Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 re: hookah. I'll get the contact info for their booking agent. Perhaps Esau or Show-Whore or whoever else is involved in booking shows at spots around can put it together. Maybe nero could open for them when they come up here. They (nero) said they'd be down with that. I was speaking with Ed (guitar, vocals) of ekoostik hookah on Friday night and he even said that an appearance at Frontier Town might be feasible! A couple questions: a) Who would like to see hookah? what are some venues they could play? Also, there are a slew of other bands form teh MI, OH area that would come up here: Metaphusical Jones (MI), The SHantee (OH), Giant, ... ummm, Nomad if you read this, maybe you could think of some more bands that would come up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooly Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 A) who would see hookah? I would,, thats a gimme. venues? that i dont know about,,, but id go to toronto to see them,, a frontier town set would kick my ass, along with alot of others ass's im betting you got my vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 as i said before- Hookah coming up this way would be incredible! A Frontiertown gig would be a definite must. As for other venues, it would not really matter. Anywhere in the T.O. or Hamilton area would be cool. I would even make the trip to Ottawa. Obviously, a Fri or Sat nite gig would be ideal for those of us that have to travel any distances, but I am sure they could still draw a worthwhile crowd for a week night show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 HOOKAH AT FRONTIER TOWN!! Make it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shainhouse Posted December 31, 2002 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 I was in contact w/Hookah for a Comfort Zone date just for literally a day and it never materialized. I'm guessing they have been talked too by other agents like Karen (maybe you could verify this for me Karen) in the past. They played one Canadian show just across the border from Buffalo in 97 or 98 I believe, but it was a quiet show. Maybe Fronteir Town would be a good call. It's just we lost the leader in the zone and no one seems to be picking up the pace in Toronto while smaller markets like Hamilton and Brantford simply can't afford American talent most of the time. I wish I was out of school and booking, but ah well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratski Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 i think hamilton could support a large show like that provided there was not a toronto show- those two markets are too close- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewRider Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 Hookah played at GoodForest in Chippewa in July or August of 2000. There was about 24-31 people in the crowd and I know 4-6 of them came from Ohio. This show was really poorly advertised though. The winter months are always kinda slow for shows but I'm sure southern Ontario will see moe, galactic and string cheese returning in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberHippie Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 Yeah I remember that show... Location, location, location.... Pretty much the same thing happened at Zoo's last summer, out in the Niagara area boonies. Gotta do some hard core marketing for festivals out there I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 okay...you've got to find out how much they want to make per show. if the band doesn'tmind making a few hundred bucks a show, a tour can be set up with the right planning. if they want 4 or more digits, then that'd be hard to do and would require bigger venues. bands like to be paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 generally, there are a lot of canadian bands that play around. why do we have to get american bands up?? phil and friends this summer in toronto was so empty. we should have a more supportive scene before we start complaining about cross border traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacedude Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 Oh man would I love to see a Hookah/Nero double bill in Toronto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Canned Beats: generally, there are a lot of canadian bands that play around. why do we have to get american bands up?? phil and friends this summer in toronto was so empty. we should have a more supportive scene before we start complaining about cross border traffic. Because a lot of American bands are good! You're right, there are a lot of Canadian bands that play around, but not *that* many, and you don't always want to be seeing the same bands all of the time. Variety is the spice of life. As for the Phil Lesh show, I think that it was probably not a smart move on the part of whoever did the booking for the show (or, an attempt by the band to cater to Canadian fans). Since they were playing at Darien Lake two days later, there weren't going to be any Americans crossing the border, and there just isn't enough interest up here to fill the Molson Amphitheater. Phil is Phil, but he isn't the Grateful Dead. From what I heard, FurtherFest didn't do very well the year that it came to Toronto either (it did come, didn't it? or am I just imagining things? I mean, I know I wasn't there, but I could have sworn that the festival hit Molson...). And just to rile everyone up a bit right before New Years, I have to admit that I thought the Phil & Friends show was pretty bad. Other than a couple of times, I was bored throughout most of the show. I understand that the next night in Darien was much better, although I haven't heard it... Happy New Year!! (I get to go party in three hours...) Brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Canned Beats: okay...you've got to find out how much they want to make per show. if the band doesn'tmind making a few hundred bucks a show, a tour can be set up with the right planning. if they want 4 or more digits, then that'd be hard to do and would require bigger venues. bands like to be paid.Actually, bands always make what they ask for, or at least the amount they agree to with the promoter. It's the promoter who has to do the work to bring in the crowd, since they are the ones that lose money if no one shows up. Of course, a band can charge more money if they have a good track record of bringing in larger audiences... Brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooly Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 As for the Phil Lesh show, I think that it was probably not a smart move on the part of whoever did the booking for the show (or, an attempt by the band to cater to Canadian fans). Since they were playing at Darien Lake two days later, there weren't going to be any Americans crossing the border, and there just isn't enough interest up here to fill the Molson Amphitheater. actually i was out front of that show all afternoon waiting for this girl to get up from NY,, she never made it,, damn border,, but i was talking with heaps of yankees from ohio, ny, CT, even NH and michigan that came for the show,, but that show was very empty compared to what that place holds. Tons of extras too,, i got handed 2 out front of wilcal when moe went on,, i had problems giving them away , everyone already had one. But i did manage to give em awy to kind folks waiting to buy tickets, figure ill save em some dough decent show,, not the best but good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shainhouse Posted December 31, 2002 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 Unfortunately, it's all about money, and with tbe border fees and bitch of promotion, I don't think anyone in the scene has it anymore to bring in American bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondtube Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 quote: And just to rile everyone up a bit right before New Years, I have to admit that I thought the Phil & Friends show was pretty bad. Other than a couple of times, I was bored throughout most of the show. I don't think you'll rile anyone up, i think that was the general concensus (sp) of the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 The show wasnt the best Phil has done, but not the worst either. It seemed to go from one extreme to the other-one minute it was fantastic, and the next you were kind of wondering where they goin. The next night at Darien was definitely more consistent. But I think that is a chance you take when paying to see bands that will explore new territories and jam out a bit-sometimes they blow your mind drastically, other times they just blow. The Dead did that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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