StoneMtn Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 This is a story that has only been half-reported, so far, but will be expounded on tonight. In a nutshell, a man and his 2-year old were driving in BC, when he was pulled over. I believe he was pulled over for no apparent reason, other than that the local cops were learning "profiling" from Texas State Troopers. It was actually the State Troopers who pulled the car over. The cops then proceeded to accuse the man of being under the influence of marijuana, and searched his vehicle, with his 2-year-old watching. In the end, the guy had nothing illegal, and was allowed to go on his way. The man has now sued (I believe the RCMP) and was awarded damages, on the basis that he should never have been pulled over and searched under Canadian law. I believe that the lack of jurisdiction of the Texas State Troopers had something to do with the ruling, as well, but I am not sure as I cannot yet obtain a copy of the judgment. Anyway, this will be fully reported tonight on television on the World at Six, and on CBC TV's The National. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamH Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 The crazy poart of this is that he pulled over the first time, denied the search and let go. Then he was pulled over AGAIN by another cop in training and told he appeared to be under the influence of marijuana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bONES Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 that's fu©king bullsh!t! what are we living in the god damn USA now fu©king hell!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\/\/illy Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Unfuckin-believable. This makes me want to scream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted January 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 When the actual court judgment from this case is published, which should be shortly, I will post it online. And Willy, please feel free to SCREAM. It is certainly an appropriate response to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Dumb fu©kin' rednecks got sick and tired of fu©kin' up their own country so they've come to fu©k up ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 if you have nothing to worry about, you can make their life more difficult than they made yours.it makes me grin to know i can get my just desserts. no need for anger...just intense joyful rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 It's still bullsh!t, straight up... I'm curious to know if the people were profiled for having BC license plates or if there were other "mitigating" circumstances... Was the dude black or of arabic descent? Had a similiar vehicle been reported doing something of a questionable nature? Any way you look at it it's fu©ked, but I'm going to reserve total judgement until I read all the facts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 hey del...i would presume that while driving in BC that most cars you'd see on the road would have BC plates...(the troopers were in BC...)but yes. it IS bullsh!t. but i don't get pissed about that crap anymore. if they don't have any reason to pull you over then they have no clout and you can demand retribution. I like nice cops, but if a cop makes my life uncomfortable, I'd like to reciprocate.like i said...it makes me grin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Agreed... When I used to listen to a lot of rap (yes, it's true, I used to like rap!) and I got pulled over, I'd always throw on "fu©k Tha Police" by NWA - LOUD... I hate cops, with a passion... I'm all for having police, but they abuse their powers almost as much as GWB does... Almost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bONES Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 i hate texas cops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted January 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 So, i watched the National last night, and it turns out that the RCMP was smart enough to settle with the guy who was pulled over; out of court. That means there will be no judgment to post and I suspect we will never know how much the settlement was for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bONES Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 did they send those redneck texans back to their gun slingin', whisky drinkin' dust bowl of a state i hope!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted January 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Actually, the RCMP just kept trying to justify the collaboration. "Well, as you know, the Americans have been dealing with drug traffickers for a lot longer than we have, so of course there's a lot to be learned from them..." blah blah blah... BTW, I forgot to mention that the guy who was pulled over is actually a cop, himself, with the Vancouver PD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 ....ahhhhhh god dammit that Harris! aaaaarrrrrggggg!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWB Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 welcome to the future bitches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondtube Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 the guy pulled over was a cop? and he was initially suspected to be under the influence of marijuana? hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted January 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Here's the full story found at http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/01/28/texas-bc050128.html : Cop wins RCMP settlement after highway search Last Updated Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:31:28 EST CBC News HOPE, B.C. - A Vancouver man has won an out-of-court settlement from the RCMP after an incident in which he says he was illegally searched by an American police officer. Last spring, David Laing was driving on a highway near Hope, B.C., when he was pulled over by a man with a heavy Texas accent. David Laing "In a very thick American accent from the southern states, he advised me it was a British Columbia road check. And he asked me for my driver's licence and my vehicle registration," said Laing. "I'm being pulled over and given directions by an American who won't identify himself," said Laing. "And I was concerned about it." A Vancouver police officer, Laing refused to let the officers search his car. Under Canadian law, police officers don't have the right to perform that kind of search. The American was a Texas state trooper working with a member of the Hope detachment of the RCMP. The pair gave Laing a ticket for having two different addresses for his insurance and his registration. Seconds later, Laing says a different RCMP officer and Texas trooper stopped his car, decided he was driving under the influence of marijuana, and searched his vehicle and two-year-old son. The police found no drugs and despite saying he was impaired just moments earlier, let him go. "They still, knowingly, had a Texas trooper escort me to the front of the vehicle. I'm a constable with the Vancouver police. He's a Texas trooper and yet I'm under his control," said Laing. Texas troopers on exchange The Texas state troopers were in B.C. as part of an exchange program with the RCMP to spot and stop drug traffickers. Called Pipeline Convoy, the program involves training officers to detect people who are lying or trying to hide things from police, said RCMP Sgt. John Ward. The visiting officers don't have any powers of arrest or detention, said Ward. "They are under our direction and our very, very strict supervision and scrutiny so they can see what we do and how we do it," said Ward. Ward says the Texas troopers' profiling program provides great help to the Mounties. "The Americans do a lot of this and have been doing it for quite some time. So there's a lot of opportunity on both sides of the border to become closer." Laing and his lawyer disagree. They say that when it comes to narcotics, American attitudes and Canadian laws are quite different. "We have different freedoms than they have," Laing says. "You don't want to mesh too much. You don't want your police meshing to the point where we start taking on other police jurisdictions' policies." The RCMP settled with Laing out of court when he threatened to sue for unlawful detention. But the Mounties defend the search, saying Laing looked suspicious because his eyelashes were fluttering and his eyes were flashing. Murray Mollard of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association says police shouldn't depend on clues like that. He says that it's not a scientifically reliable method. Mollard says Laing's case presents a series of concerns – from using unreliable profiling techniques to a wrongful vehicle search, not to mention using an American police officer to pull over Canadians. He says his association will be writing the RCMP to complain about the profiling techniques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickler Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 ugghh, that story makes me sick. Nice to see the good guy win though. Og all state troopers to "learn" from, they pick Texas?? are the RCMP high themselves or what? State Troopers are the biggest, most pompous power trip retards on the planet. Keep them south of the border, we are doing fine up here without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark tonin Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Unfu*kingreal!!! This pisses me off so much!!! How about this quote?!? < Ward says the Texas troopers' profiling program provides great help to the Mounties. "The Americans do a lot of this and have been doing it for quite some time. So there's a lot of opportunity on both sides of the border to become closer." > Absolutely, positively scary! Peace, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneMtn Posted January 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 I think that too many of us, here, have had the experience of a fat, pompous State Trooper ordering us to "Keep yer hands where I can see 'em!" and to get out "wh'all we search yer vee-hickle" such that we are particularly sensitive to this. I would lose it if I was subjected to that type of police-state attitude in this country, and I couldn't agree more with Mark: "positively scary"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 In Texas, having a Grateful Dead sticker on your vehicle is probable cause for being pulled over and searched - no sh!t! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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