SaggyBalls Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Even the smurfs were pleasant to Gargamel, localcrew.My heart goes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wooly Mammoth Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 on a population level, the risks associated with getting the shot are much lower than the risks of not getting the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 that is true, BWM. but it certainly provides little comfort to the individual who may actually be adversely affected. as described, the situation appears to suggest Guillain-Barré Syndrome - a sudden development of paralysis, thought to be associated with an already weakened immune system and triggered by a respiratory viral infection or certain gastro bacteria. it is quite rare in Canada with about 600 cases per year, is generally temporary, and rarely results in death. over the past decade, less than 100 total cases have been associated with having just received a flu shot. it is indeed troubling that there appears to be linkage between receiving the shot and developing GBS. controlling for immunization versus non-immunized, actual flu sickness, however, health canada has concluded that you are much more likely to develop GBS from having the flu than from getting the flu shot. so, yes, BWM, you are absolutely correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wooly Mammoth Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) I didn't mean to downplay the fact that there is an actual individual affected here. using population stats offers no consolation to those on the wrong end of them. Edited December 17, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 ...and I didn't mean to downplay the reality of the situation by making reference to the smurfs.No shot no GBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 health canada has concluded that you are much more likely to develop GBS from having the flu than from getting the flu shotNo shot no GBS.So, who's right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau. Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 No shot no GBS.Vaccinations are not the cause of the syndrome, just a possible trigger. Having surgery or getting sick (flu, cold etc) have also been linked as possible triggers. GBS can affect anybody. Saying "no shot no GBS" is nothing more then ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nibbler Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Something about his aura of un-healthiness makes me weary of taking health and medical advice from this cat: I wholeheartedly agree that ignorance is blissful, so long as theres a good shepherd watching over the flock Gets complicated once the shepherd's income has been connected to the wolves bank accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau. Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 So you believe that the scientists who have done endless studies on this stuff would outright lie about vaccinations not being the cause of GBS, but yet you have no doubt the climate scientists that are paid and funded by the same supposed corrupt gov'ts wouldn't lie.Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 nibbler, to question Dr. Butler-Jones' integrity and competency based on a photograph is perhaps the stupidest thing ive seen tingle off your fingertips here (and you have typed some incredibly stupid things). he is considered to be one of the top population health physicians/researchers in the world ... by those actually qualified to judge, unlike you. but please, do humour the rest of us and explain how this man's income is "connected to the wolves bank account". i eagerly await an imbedded link to yet another wackjob's website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nibbler Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's own ignorance."Said by a dude named Confucius, about 2500 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishtaper Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 are you drunk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Something about his aura of un-healthiness makes me weary of taking health and medical advice from this cat:Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Kev Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 i eagerly await an imbedded link to yet another wackjob's website. HEY! Who you callin' "wackjob"? According to Horowitz, human beings are fundamentally "digital, bioholographic, precipitations, crystallizations, miraculous manifestations of Divine frequency vibrations" rendered hydrosonically and metaphysically.(7) The authors suggest two main factors determine efficacy of electrotherapy systems including chakra-based tuning systems: 1) the heart-felt loving intent of the therapist as well as the patient. This relates to investigations of prayer associated with beneficial outcomes best explained by theories in quantum physics, creative consciousness, and creationistic metaphysics;(6) and 2) the actual frequencies used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau. Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Yeah, I guess anyone with a heavier build is unhealthy. Out of curiosity, what is his current state of health? I ask because I have absolutely no idea."Ignorance is the night of the mind, but a night without moon and star."Confucius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nibbler Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 the so called "crazy people" seem to think that powerful interests with ridiculous amounts of money are able to effectively distort the findings of science to fatten their bank accounts... how crazy is that!A strangely under reported news in recent years was the pharmaceutical industry crossing the proverbial 'we are too big to fail' threshold: i.e. when for the first time in history, the industry as a whole generated yearly revenues of over one trillion dollars. ( thats $1,000,000,000,000! ) - forbes.comOver a trillion ranks big Pharm fifth in the top five list of global industries by revenue today, trailing behind only the Financial, Telecommunications, Automotive, and of course the big one- the Oil and Gas industry. - forbes.comUnlike the worlds' other big four, the Pharma industry has sailed through the 'economic downturn' without any obvious handouts or subsidization. - forbes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 No shot no GBS.Vaccinations are not the cause of the syndrome' date=' just a possible trigger. Having surgery or getting sick (flu, cold etc) have also been linked as possible triggers. GBS can affect anybody. Saying "no shot no GBS" is nothing more then ignorance.[/quote']So...if you don't trigger the syndrome from starting then can you suffer from it? Nope. I don't see that as ignorance. I wasn't talking about the CAUSE but the ONSET. How easy it is to point the finger of ignorance at someone whose stance on an issue is questionable in the eyes of established opinion and practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 health canada has concluded that you are much more likely to develop GBS from having the flu than from getting the flu shotNo shot no GBS.So' date=' who's right?[/quote']Do you really care who's right? Would it really change or firm up your position on the matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau. Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 So...if you don't trigger the syndrome from starting then can you suffer from it? Nope. I don't see that as ignorance. I wasn't talking about the CAUSE but the ONSET.Yes, you can. GBS can be sudden and unexpected as well.How easy it is to point the finger of ignorance at someone whose stance on an issue is questionable in the eyes of established opinion and practice.Not pointing any fingers here. Your opinion on the topic of vaccinations doesn't really play into it (at least for me). It's ignorant (eg: ill-informed) to say "no shot/no gbs", I'm sorry you can't grasp that. It's no different then claiming "no cigarettes, no cancer" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) in this instance the trigger was the shot. Maybe later on it would get triggered by something else, but if that's the case they'd probably have had a rather normal holiday season.It's not like saying 'no cigarettes no lung cancer'. Edited December 23, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak By Night Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 I said I was going to get the H1N1 shot, but it was just too inconvenient for me. I did not get the shot, and did not get the flu.[color:purple]Therefore, the vaccine doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwa. Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 no shot, no flu. see ya next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakis Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 I have never got the flu shot and haven't gotten the flu in over 5 years and I work at a hospital. I am just so healthy! lol, watch me get the flu this weekend now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaggyBalls Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 (NaturalNews) In conjunction with NaturalNews, the non-profit Consumer Wellness Center (www.ConsumerWellness.org) has publicly offered a $10,000 reward for any person, company or institution who can provide trusted, scientific evidence proving that any of the FDA-approved H1N1 vaccines being offered to Americans right now are both safe and effective.Vaccine promoters keep citing their "science" in claiming that H1N1 vaccines are safe and effective. NaturalNews and the CWC ask one simple question: Where is this science?The $10,000 reward will be issued to anyone who can produce scientific evidence meeting the following criteria:• A scientific paper, published in a peer-reviewed medical journal, describing the results of a minimum of two Phase III trials structured as randomized, placebo-controlled scientific clinical trials of an FDA-approved H1N1 vaccine currently in distribution, carried out on a minimum of 1,000 people (for statistical significance) for a duration of at least 90 days. The inclusion criteria for both clinical trials must be properly randomized so that the participants are representative of the entire U.S. population and not merely a desired sub-group selected to skew the research outcome. Inclusion criteria must be provided to NaturalNews for verification.• At the same time, the vaccine must be scientifically demonstrated to be effective at reducing H1N1 swine flu infections. Scientifically speaking, it must be demonstrated to reduce the death rate from H1N1 infections by a minimum of 50 percent (relative numbers, not absolute, since so few die from H1N1 in the first place). In other words, if 100,000 people get infected with H1N1 and 100 might normally die, the study must show that fewer than 50 vaccinated people die. This would equate to a 50 percent reduction in mortality from swine flu. If the vaccine is less than 50 percent effective, then it doesn't really offer much benefit for such a mild flu with extremely low fatality rates.• Because vaccine promoters describe the vaccine as "safe enough for children and expectant mothers" and because vaccine promoters insist that there are absolutely no risks of long-term side effects, the study must demonstrate that the vaccine causes no statistically significant increase in side effects of any kind for a minimum of one year following the vaccine injection. You might think this is impossible to produce since the vaccine hasn't even existed for one year and couldn't have possibly been tested to see whether it produces neurological side effects in the one-year timeframe. That is exactly my point.• Finally, due to widespread corruption and dishonesty in clinical trials that are funded by drug companies, these clinical trials must not be funded in whole or in part with drug company money. Funding for the studies must come from truly independent sources such as a government institution or a university with no financial ties to the vaccine manufacturer.This is not a satire story or a parody. This $10,000 reward for scientific proof of the H1N1 vaccine safety and effectiveness is being offered in all seriousness. The offer is valid through March 31, 2010.If proof of the H1N1 vaccine safety and effectiveness is produced in accordance with the reasonable requirements published here, NaturalNews will publish a public apology regarding our condemnation of H1N1 vaccines and issue a $10,000 check to the winner of the reward within five business days. (Per IRS regulations, we may require proper income reporting details from the reward recipient if they reside in the U.S. or are a U.S. citizen). If you, the NaturalNews readers, encounter any blogger, journalist, debater or newsgroup poster who invokes the word "science" in the context of supporting H1N1 vaccines, simply point them to this $10,000 reward offer and challenge them to claim the reward for themselves.All they have to do is search Google Scholar (or their local university library) for just one published scientific article proving the safety and effectiveness of any H1N1 swine flu vaccine through two randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies according to the criteria described here.It's simple, really. If such scientific proof exists, it should require less than an hour to find it. With all these doctors, journalists and FDA decision makers talking about the amazing "science" behind the H1N1 vaccines, you would think that there must be at least one of them who would like to earn $10,000 in one hour while proving the safety and efficacy of these vaccines.Is there one such person who would claim this $10,000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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