Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Guess I'm getting old.LOL "Yep. Kids these days - need a good war to thin out their ranks..." 'cept... there is one... never mind.... The Gate Crashers '95 experience wised me up to the importance of efficacious means of social control. I just wish they acted with the responsibility and (ha ha ha ha!!) wisdom that came with all the force. Sorry, I'll go back to my bowl now... well, ok, my coffee, I'm not even awake enough for anything else yet. I just get a bit wigged when you have a culture predicated so much on entitlement, and add people with the state-sanctioned right to use violence into the mix. That, of course, says nothing about the stupidity and violence that can go on when the cops aren't around. What was the Utah Phillips line? "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do." Now that's my Utah of preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedShredder Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Utahottontrealonto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Utah has big mountains that are snowy most of the year, and the best powder anywhere in the world. I saw some beautiful mountainscapes in the backgrounds of all those re-education (I mean, reNeducation) facilities I was finding yesterday . I did have a cousin who moved from Scarborough to Utah thirty years ago and never looked back. Mind you, she was an artist and lived a largely Georgia O'Keefeish sort of existence, so she never mingled too much with the locals. She did rave endlessly about the terrain, if she's never raved in any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 It just rolls off the tongue, I like it.AD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Heres some newer info,I dont have a link but I got it off GOTV messegeboard... Official statement from Promoter:I was the main event organizer for "Versus II", I have been throwing parties in Utah for over 6 years now. I have done well over 75 parties, and NEVER in my life have witnessed anything so disrupting! To clear up any questions any of you had for the event at hand, we DID have all proper permits to host the event on the property that we did. The Utah national guard is one of the agencies that raided the show, and they were the worst ones. That girl you see getting the shit beat out happens to be one of my good friends, keep in mind this girl does not drink, do ^^^^^, or anything of the sort. All she is is a major DNB fan. We also have hand on eyewitnesses with writen statements stating thay had witnessed 2 of the ment in camo take a young intoxicated girl into one of the porto-potties during the main coarse of the raid while one of them stood outside a watch. In the mean time we presented the "Utah County Mass Gathering Permit" to the officer in charge and he said" No you do not have a permit for this and confiscated my folder w/ insurance policy, Permits, Business Licsense, and proof of permission to use property for the event. THIS IS THE COUNTRY WE LIVE IN TODAY!! IT'S ALL FUCKED!!! We are in the mistd of organizing a protest party in the capital lawn of salt lake city utah to let our voiced be heard. We will keep all of you informed on what is going on. I and the rest of my krew appreciate all of the support from everyone across the world, and we do want to let all of you know that we WILL NOT let this matter slide. We have met with our attorneys and are filing a multi-million dollar class action law suite to accomidate the injuries, mental distress, and everything else that happened to these innocent party goers. These events that happened are starting to be publicly released nation wide on news stations, national radio talk shows and so on and so forth. The support from all of you is why! RESPEKT!! P.S. Knick, we will have you back soon. Respekt to all, Jeremy Versus II (SLC, UT.) They should have no problem charging all involved in the raid,since all permits for things like this require more then one copy(as does an insurance policy, Permits & Business Licsense).I inquired with another promoter online-friend from California (who works/promotes raves/shows etc) and he said that they gets two copies of the required permits & the office he gets it issued from also has at least one copy to his knowledge.Not to mention its all recorded in the computers. Unless of course people subscribe to the conpsiracy theory that the gov't,police,national gaurd,city hall,insurance company & the person who issued the permits are ALL working together to bust & harrass a few hundred folks for partying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 I like your smiley there....Let's hope these people had their shit together to have had enough copies of said forms, or there won't be much to make of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Unless of course people subscribe to the conpsiracy theory that the gov't,police,national gaurd,city hall,insurance company & the person who issued the permits are ALL working together to bust & harrass a few hundred folks for partying... I don't think there was a pre-meditated conspiracy between all parties but a post-event cover-up seems entirely plausible to me. I really hope the promoters were smart enough to make copies. Will wait and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 (edited) Heres some newer info,I dont have a link but I got it off GOTV messegeboard...Official statement from Promoter:I was the main event organizer for "Versus II", I have been throwing parties in Utah for over 6 years now. I have done well over 75 parties, and NEVER in my life have witnessed anything so disrupting! To clear up any questions any of you had for the event at hand, we DID have all proper permits to host the event on the property that we did. The Utah national guard is one of the agencies that raided the show, and they were the worst ones. That girl you see getting the shit beat out happens to be one of my good friends, keep in mind this girl does not drink, do ^^^^^, or anything of the sort. All she is is a major DNB fan. We also have hand on eyewitnesses with writen statements stating thay had witnessed 2 of the ment in camo take a young intoxicated girl into one of the porto-potties during the main coarse of the raid while one of them stood outside a watch. In the mean time we presented the "Utah County Mass Gathering Permit" to the officer in charge and he said" No you do not have a permit for this and confiscated my folder w/ insurance policy, Permits, Business Licsense, and proof of permission to use property for the event. THIS IS THE COUNTRY WE LIVE IN TODAY!! IT'S ALL FUCKED!!! We are in the mistd of organizing a protest party in the capital lawn of salt lake city utah to let our voiced be heard. We will keep all of you informed on what is going on. I and the rest of my krew appreciate all of the support from everyone across the world, and we do want to let all of you know that we WILL NOT let this matter slide. We have met with our attorneys and are filing a multi-million dollar class action law suite to accomidate the injuries, mental distress, and everything else that happened to these innocent party goers. These events that happened are starting to be publicly released nation wide on news stations, national radio talk shows and so on and so forth. The support from all of you is why! RESPEKT!! P.S. Knick, we will have you back soon. Respekt to all, Jeremy Versus II (SLC, UT.) They should have no problem charging all involved in the raid,since all permits for things like this require more then one copy(as does an insurance policy, Permits & Business Licsense).I inquired with another promoter online-friend from California (who works/promotes raves/shows etc) and he said that they gets two copies of the required permits & the office he gets it issued from also has at least one copy to his knowledge.Not to mention its all recorded in the computers. Unless of course people subscribe to the conpsiracy theory that the gov't,police,national gaurd,city hall,insurance company & the person who issued the permits are ALL working together to bust & harrass a few hundred folks for partying... that was actually one of the earlier posts on the 404Audio boards from Sunday morning, when the event was pretty fresh... if a girl I knew got stomped by the cops I'd likely be posting pretty emotionally too... this one was in the Salt Lake City paper today: Ravers say cops were too rough making bust Utah County: Sheriff defends the actions, denies wrongdoing By Michael N. Westley The Salt Lake Tribune Partygoers at a rave in Spanish Fork Canyon that was busted by police Saturday night say officers used brutal and excessive force to clear the crowd. As many as 90 police officers from several agencies, including SWAT members and major crimes investigators, stormed the DJ-driven dance party around 11:30 p.m. dressed in full SWAT gear and holding automatic weapons. A helicopter announced the police presence as it crested a nearby hill and began shining a spotlight on the outdoor dance area, said 19-year-old Scott Benton of Logan. "The cops just came in wearing full Army [camouflage]. It was basically brute force," Benton said. "I had a gun put in my face and was told to get out of there." Standing in a crowd of people near the main stage, Alisha Matagi says she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time when she was thrown to the ground, punched, kicked and handcuffed by police. "I did absolutely nothing wrong," she said. Matagi was arrested with about 60 other partyers. She was booked into the Utah County Jail on the suspicion of resisting arrest and failing to obey an officer, according to police records. About 1,000 people were cleared in less than a half-hour from the private ranch owned by the Childs family in the Diamond Fork area of Spanish Fork Canyon, rave promoters said. Several party attendees told The Salt Lake Tribune that officers barked orders fraught with profanity, beat people to the ground and used their weapons to intimidate the crowd. A video of the opening moments of the bust, taken by Jeffrey Coombs and snatched from the ground by another partier as Coombs was tackled, shows the officers using force on individuals as they took over the crowd. Utah County Sheriff James Tracy said Monday that he had seen the video and called it an accurate representation of the bust. "I stand by everything that was done there that night. We did use some force. It was appropriate and necessary to take those who were fighting us into custody," Tracy said. He also said that no officers used profanity as they conversed with partiers, nor did they punch, kick, Mace or use tear gas on any of the attendees. "It's all a lie and we refute every word of that," said Tracy. But the video clearly shows an officer using profanity as he demands the music be turned off. "Turn that off. Turn that music off or I'll take your ass to jail," the officer can be heard saying to the DJ. In the video, the area where people had been dancing transforms into what looks like a battlefield with groups of officers surrounding ravers on the ground, guns drawn and assault dogs in tow. "I saw a girl tackled to the ground for no reason because she told them not to touch her. It was vicious," Benton said. Police said the party Saturday night was the third event held in Utah County during the past month. The all-night parties attract a host of illegal activities including drug use, theft, sexual assault and underage drinking, according to Utah County Sheriff's Sgt. Darren Gilbert. Saturday's party, named Versus II, had been tracked by police for several weeks, Gilbert said. Police planned the bust when they discovered that the rave's promoters had not filed for a mass gathering permit through the County Commission office. To have more than 250 at an event without that permit is a violation of the law, Gilbert said. Party promotor Brandon Fullmer said he purchased a mass gathering permit through the Utah County Health Department about three weeks ago. The purchase of that permit, which ensures water, sanitation and medical services, was confirmed by County Health employee Jay Stone. Fullmer did not know that a similar permit, which requires a security plan and event details, needed to be acquired. The sheriff had little sympathy for the promoters or those at the rave. "They did nothing more than ensure this was a venue for illegal drug use and consumption," Tracy said. Officers confiscated ecstasy, marijuana, alcohol, cocaine and mushrooms, he said. Among those arrested for drug possession were several security guards hired by Fullmer to patrol the event. Guards at security check points confiscated alcohol and drugs as ravers filed into the party, Fullmer said. "[security guards] have no legal statutory authority to take and hold controlled substances. It's against the law for them to have them," Tracy said. http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2964938 Edited August 23, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Evil_Mouse Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 It's taking everything I've got not to start bringing in Waco. Aw shit, there I go. Sorry.I can't miss the homologies, though - the shady setup, the gratuitously excessive force, people working their subculture getting the shit stomped out of them, the whole deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 that was actually one of the earlier posts on the 404Audio boards from Sunday morning, when the event was pretty fresh... if a girl I knew got stomped by the cops I'd likely be posting pretty emotionally too... Then there are folks out there claiming to be people they are not,this was supposedly posted by the promoter today (lying about being the promoter does not help with the validity in my opinion) and I can't see anyone not be emotional over somthing like this,who wouldn't be?Like I said,I like hearing both sides before passing judgement,when the promoter & records office(rs) produce(s) the permits,insurance & whatnot,then I shall pass judgement.Not until then.Seems straight forward enough to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Official statement from Promoter:I was the main event organizer for "Versus II", I have been throwing parties in Utah for over 6 years now. I have done well over 75 parties, and NEVER in my life have witnessed anything so disrupting!Respekt to all,JeremyVersus II (SLC, UT.) Party promotor Brandon Fullmer said he purchased a mass gathering permit through the Utah County Health Department about three weeks ago.Seems to be a discrepancy on who the actual promoters is....strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guigsy Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 is it uncommon for parties to have 2 promoters? i mean, if something like this happened at evolve, and joe made a statement, then jimmy made a statement, neither of them would be lying about who they are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 No,not uncommon for that to happen.But usually when the shit hits the fan with a festival aren't all promoters or production compnay named,or even make a comment each in the news? Perhaps I'm wrong,I dunno.Again,I am not siding here,just finding things to be a little "off" with the timelines and claims of who is or isn't who.Like I said,supposedly the article I posted today,was written today,but it wasn't.Nor was the person who posted either of the two claimed promoters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 (edited) there were actually 2 recording companies in charge of the event, will search out their names and post them shortly... doesn't really suprise me there was more than one promoteras far as the permits go the Salt Lake City article saysParty promotor Brandon Fullmer said he purchased a mass gathering permit through the Utah County Health Department about three weeks ago. The purchase of that permit, which ensures water, sanitation and medical services, was confirmed by County Health employee Jay Stone. Fullmer did not know that a similar permit, which requires a security plan and event details, needed to be acquired. The sheriff had little sympathy for the promoters or those at the rave. "They did nothing more than ensure this was a venue for illegal drug use and consumption," Tracy said. Officers confiscated ecstasy, marijuana, alcohol, cocaine and mushrooms, he said. Among those arrested for drug possession were several security guards hired by Fullmer to patrol the event. Guards at security check points confiscated alcohol and drugs as ravers filed into the party, Fullmer said. "[security guards] have no legal statutory authority to take and hold controlled substances. It's against the law for them to have them," Tracy said. in the Sheriff's article he mentions the contracted onsite medical staff being offered drugs... the security guards were busted for being in possession of drugs they confiscated off people on their way in... the organizer had acquired a mass gathering permit but was unaware he needed 2 mass gathering permits (why didn't the city official who issued the first one tell him about the other permit?)sounds like it was a pretty well organized event overall really, I'll wait to hear more in the papers... in any case I don't think people deserved to have automatic weapons stuck in their faces and get beaten Edited August 23, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guigsy Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 yeah, no worries esau, just sorta playin' devil's advocate on this one...but this... Fullmer did not know that a similar permit, which requires a security plan and event details, needed to be acquired. ... could be where they went wrong.and this is interesting.. "[security guards] have no legal statutory authority to take and hold controlled substances. It's against the law for them to have them," so the next time my mushrooms get confiscated in line at a show, i should direct the cops to the security guard? sweet! the little guys get one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Hey Jhamie,certianly not arguing with ya bro,just voicing or typing my thoughts.Certianly don't know,as I was not there nor know personally any parties involved.From what I have read from some folks on GOTV who claim to know the or one of the promoters,their hoping the first statement I posted wasn't the "official" statement of the promoter(s).Things seem to be a bit exxagerated by the sounds of it.Although the video doesn't lie either.But reading further from the bolded print you quoted (which I did read the first time) it appears afterall they did not have ALL the required permits.Too bad,I was hoping to see some crazy lawsuits filed over this,but I'm sure there will be some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 (edited) the sheriff saying "They did nothing more than ensure this was a venue for illegal drug use and consumption," when they had hired a medical and security staff seems kind of overblownthey flew in DJs from Seattle and Atlanta and all over, seems like an awful lot of trouble just to take some drugs... perhaps some people were there to listen and dance to some music? Edited August 23, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 (edited) no worries Esau, gives me a method to analyse my own thoughts on the matter (and practice for an upcoming legal career ) Edited August 23, 2005 by Guest corrected spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 All good guigsy.but this... Fullmer did not know that a similar permit, which requires a security plan and event details, needed to be acquired. ... could be where they went wrong. [color:purple]Gotta love loopholes eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 so worries Esau, give me a method to analyse my own thoughts on the matter (and practice for an upcoming legal career ) Its always good to travel with an attorney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 (edited) [color:purple]in any case, DJ Syze probably needed an ass kickin anyways (footnote: thats not actually DJ Syze getting her ass kicked, you can read her story here though ... I got the animated image of the beatings from Syze's signature on the Seattle drum n bass board) Edited August 23, 2005 by Guest link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 (edited) Salt Lake City TV Station Refuses to Air Anti-War Ad Days Before Bush Visit In the ad, Sheehan pleads with Bush for a meeting and accuses him of lying to the American people about Iraq's development of weapons of mass destruction and its connection to al-Qaeda."I love my country. But how many more of our loved ones need to die in this senseless war?" a weary-looking Sheehan asks in the ad. "I know you can't bring Casey back. But it's time to admit mistakes and bring our troops home now." Edited August 23, 2005 by Guest added quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE! I think we are forgetting something here This was not a rave as reported by the news It was a Drum and Bass gathering. First they came for the ravers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisley Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 (edited) top Utah civil rights lawyer looking at taking case to US federal court video of news story top right corner of pagealso ending up being nice press for the DrumnBass kids, Syze quoted below:Knick has just been asked to be a guest on the nationaly syndicated talk show .. COAST 2 COAST with over 1 million listeners.. he may be on tonight or tomorow night.. but this has now reached the national level, he has also been asked to do an interview with ABC news. I have been contacted by Rolling Stone , Seattle PI , Seattle Times and more.... Edited August 23, 2005 by Guest added press comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 [color:purple]in any case, DJ Syze probably needed an ass kickin anyways She looks like she could use a good spankin' though, a la Lazlo. That's right baby shave my ass, ruff ruff, do me right doggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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