Freeker Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Might be old news but I found this to be a great read.http://www.jambase.com/headsup.asp?storyID=7630 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeker Posted December 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 The comments are good too"I couldn't believe my ears when I ran into people outside of the show and they were telling me that 'this night was going to go down in rock 'n roll history'. Cause Mickey Hart played a fucking cowbell?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shainhouse Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Dennis has caused quite a shit storm with this piece. I think it's great. The more the core of us JamBase writers can cause a shitstorm with our opinions, the most intellectual discourse we are disspelling, unbeknownst or not to our original intentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimafleck: the living legend. Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 shut your bleedin hole you scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shainhouse Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 my hole ain't bleedin' anymore... I reckon' I got that fixed. Lazlo's hole is bleedin' now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 I thought it was a good article and refreshing to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shainhouse Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 (edited) Yeah, negative reviews are tougher to write too. You don't want to just chastize the act without anything to back it up. It's tough to write a cogent, intelligent negative review. Waxing poetic about something is easy. Edited December 10, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cully Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 What a terrible review. Ripping on the show is one thing, but the personal insults....bullshit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottieking Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 I think this is a great piece. It's nice to see my sentiments from my 70 Volt Parade experience so articulately put. I don't think there are any insults presay. Shainhouse is right. It is hard to give negative comments in way that is not harsh (as an evaluator, I empathize with this) Good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cully Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Why do we need this negativity..couldn't the author just have said that the band was weak (or a work in progress) in his opinion. Why does he have to come down so harshly on Trey (does Trey owe him anything?) He compares Trey to MMJ and Mars Volta (give me a break). Of course Trey is not in the same league as these bands (they are fresh and doing something with a new sound) Then he goes on to say that Trey is trying to be the next Tom Petty or Sarah McLaughlin....bullshit. I don't think that Trey even knows what he wants...but I do have to say that he has taken the steps to make the music better (if you don't believe me listen to a copy of the last show) If you don't like the music then don't go, you don't have to put people down for trying something new...just my 2 cents (I know that we have already had a lot of posts about this topic, but this article really gets me upset) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Lazlo's hole is bleedin' now.What can I say, I eat alot of meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenenbaum Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 that article makes several valid points!recommended reading for all heads and newbs alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YearsAlongTheSea Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 I think it was somewhat poorly written with too much of his opinion blatantly thrown in there. I do, however, agree with a lot of what he has to say but I think he's a little melodramatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shainhouse Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 (edited) It was far from poorly written. This, from a technical standpoint is a very well-written article. He states his points, backs them up and wraps it up. Cully, our job as music writers is to criticize, albeit constructively, so when we don't like something, we write about it. I think Dennis was more than fair, not openly insulting and backed up his points. Trey does not 'owe' us anything, but he better put out a good product if we're all paying $50 american for it each night. Edited December 11, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 i thought it was an engaging article.. sure does paint a pathetic trey.. perhaps more than it actually focuses on the music that night... but that's just what i took out of it in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cully Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 I don't think that this was constructive critizism..putting someone down (and their fanbase for liking it) is not contructive in my eyes...that being said when I read the article a second time it did seem less harsh than I originally thought.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I don't see a single insult in the article, either towards Trey or his fanbase, and I don't understand how a writer can review something with "too much of his opinion" in it. So many of the "reviews" I read on sites like jambase or even a little closer to home read like promotional press releases rather than a true critique. Further, it is not the role of the critic to provide "constructive criticism". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gentlemonkey Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Definitley a great piece! Although, I thought it was a little strange he considered Trey a living legend having never been a fan of Phish.. I guess Trey does have an Iconic look and personality. Although I have very little interest in what he's doing now, I'll always consider myself a fan. And I don't think I'll ever entirely write off Treyband, more likely I'll just keep checking in periodically until I like what he's doing again. Because it seems to be ever-changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I don't think it is inconsistent to acknowledge someone's "legendary" stature while simultaneously stating you're not a fan. In fact I think that's remarkably fair journalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondtube Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 yep....very true MarcO.The Beatles, after all, 'are' Legendary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gentlemonkey Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I just dont think I would really understand what kind of a legend Trey is without having experienced, loved and obsessed about - the legend. Although, I guess its pretty easy to figure out. I suppose as a critic, he is able to provide a better perspective of the preformance, not having to think constantly at the show 'fuck, i wish this was phish'. anyway ya.. great article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooly Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 its pretty good, sure its well written but i thought it was a bit harsh as well. too much opinion, not enough fact. i find that with alot of music reviews, sure theyre well written, and they look good, lots of big ol words that most wooks dont know what they mean, but i still dont like most reviews i read.not my cuppa tea i 'spose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peipunk Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Although I have very little interest in what he's doing now, I'll always consider myself a fan.Well put, this is how I also feel about lots of bands, like Aerosmith, the Stones, Santana, Christ even Rod Stewart used to be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcO Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Actually, my main disagreement with the writer is his characterization of Trey as a "legend".To a sliver of society yes, he is a legend, in the bigger picture, not at all.Tooly - how can a critical review have too much "opinion"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooly Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 too much personalized opinion, like this guy likes what this players doin but not what this guys doing, its all just his opinion, does he have the same tastes as i do? no. therefore, this review is worthless to me and anyone else who doesnt have the *EXACT* same musical tastes as this guy.long story short, i dont like music reviews, they are, for the most part, way skewed, and worthless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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